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The difference between Wilders and that guy
by Mel Olontha

I think the most obvious difference between the guy that produced "fitna" and this fat antisemite, is that Wilders has to fear for his life now and the Dutch government an every other government of the EU is apologizing and bowing it's head towards Mekka now, out of fear of terrorist retribution.

This Saudi mama boy is now cherrished by the news, the Saudi government promotes him (where you can see that they don't really care about "blasphemy" or "hate-speech" at all, but rather about propaganda in favour of Wahabism). Why did they take "fitna" down but not his "film" if they care so much?

There is nobody that would deny this guy his right of free speach for his drivel. The people however who want to censor and bully Europe with threats and intimidation include him and his government.

That is the main difference.

Re: The difference between Wilders and that guy
by Usama2

The MAIN difference is Wilders has super rich constituents who support and protect him, even prop him up. The Netherlands GDP is 638 billion, while all of North Africa's GDP is less than 500 billion.

The disparity in wealth between the EU nations and the Muslim world is astounding. And that disparity is a result of decades of American and EU support for Muslim dictatorships and authoritarian regimes that have served Western interests to the detriment of their own people's interests right in their own lands. It is an inconcievable reality to Westerners who percieve the entire world exists to serve them, but it is a truth of the Muslim world.

Re: The difference between Wilders and that guy
by craigvan

"There is nobody that would deny this guy his right of free speach for his drivel."

There's no freedom of speach in Saudi Arabia. He would have got arrested if he made the same movie about Islam.

Wilders, Hirsi Ali, and formerly Salmon Rushdi risked assasination to criticize that religion. This guy's a douche. It really takes a lot of courage to criticize other religions in a theocracy where they're illegal.

Re: The difference between Wilders and that guy
by Usama2
craigvan:

There's no freedom of speach in Saudi Arabia. He would have got arrested if he made the same movie about Islam.

Actually, this idea of "freedom" is nonexistant everywhere. Every government has an authority, and that authority grants LIBERTIES. And the 'liberty of speech' is controlled and restricted as said government wishes.

In America, saying certain words can result in government prosecution AND persecution. Same thing in various nations claiming "freedoms", like Germany, Britain, Israel.

It is a lie that there is TRUE FREEDOM of speech. True freedom means there are no consequences or circumstances resulting in one's words. All human life has consequences and circumstances resulting. No wonder growing numbers of American live there lives like there is no tomorrow, but wake up tomorrow and discover they're in hell on earth.

Re: The difference between Wilders and that guy
by Hellzapoppin
Usama2:
craigvan:

There's no freedom of speach in Saudi Arabia. He would have got arrested if he made the same movie about Islam.

Actually, this idea of "freedom" is nonexistant everywhere. Every government has an authority, and that authority grants LIBERTIES. And the 'liberty of speech' is controlled and restricted as said government wishes.

In America, saying certain words can result in government prosecution AND persecution. Same thing in various nations claiming "freedoms", like Germany, Britain, Israel.

It is a lie that there is TRUE FREEDOM of speech. True freedom means there are no consequences or circumstances resulting in one's words. All human life has consequences and circumstances resulting. No wonder growing numbers of American live there lives like there is no tomorrow, but wake up tomorrow and discover they're in hell on earth.

In the USA, "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." That doesn't mean you can say whatever you want wherever you want whenever you want. But the government stays out of it.

Our government does not grant us liberties; we grant it certain powers. Our human rights are "inalienable," creator-endowed, not granted by our government.

Quite the key differences, I'd say.

Re: The difference between Wilders and that guy
by Mel Olontha

Usama the islamist troll provided us with the ramblings of a mad man:

The problem with Wilders is that he and his fans are rich, with Freedom of Speech in the US that people are poor. Eh?

Maybe North Africa and the Middle East would not be such poor hellholes if they would educate their people and liberate their women from producing nothing else than offspring that they have not means to properly endow for life. But as long as the only alternative to strong man mafia rule is religious fascism this will of course not happen.

And Saudi Arabia is not really what you can call a poor country. Why don't they help their Arab brethren and invest in universities that teach something else than Islamic mumbo jumbo? I guess they are too busy supporting Wahabists and other fascists with their oil money and everybody who critizes that is attempted to be silenced, either by the state if he is reachable or by death threats through their fundamentalist proxies.

Re: The difference between Wilders and that guy
by Usama2

The balance of power in the Muslim world is securely rested in the hands and fists of the powerful elite who inherited their power from European colonial empires. And today, America and the EU continue to reenforce this elite in order for their own interests to be fulfilled regardless of the plight of the people of that region.

I and many other educated professional Muslims living and contributing to the Western nations would love to be able to return to the Muslim world and build it up, revive it, offer our skills, blood, sweat and tears. Except YOUR elite stifle and stagnate and corrupt every facet of society. Go watch the movie Syriana to get an idea.

Quite frankly, you think you know how to solve the problems of the Muslim world, but you have knowledge of basic realities over there or in America. Why don't you solve the problems of America first- mortgage crisis, food crisis, energy crisis, 50,000 slaves in America, disparity in wealth, etc. Solve these and the other problems and then maybe the rest of the world will see how you do it.

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