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Regurgitating turds
by kuruman

This bitter business is a perfect illustration of the way our stupid, stupid media works.

The "bitter" news stories started out reporting carefully chosen segments of the speech, losing important contextual points. Along with this, the argument that the speech might have been condescending is introduced.

A couple of days go by.

Now this information has been digested and turned, quite literally, in to a giant turd of misinformation. The event is now written about in the past tense, with a concrete conclusion that the speech WAS bad. When was this officially concluded? Never, but it doesn't matter. The myth has become the truth. People will stop thinking and will regurgitate the information exactly as packaged by the press.

Now, all Obama can do is respond as if this conclusion is correct, further solidifying it as "truth".

The sad thing is that I don't believe the press has an agenda. They are just looking for sexy, provocative angles to get attention and sell advertising space. The real truth is often so much more boring and difficult to articulate and understand. It doesn't fit in to a 10 second news fart, "How will Obama handle his condescending comments? We'll discuss it after the break".

Barf


Re: Regurgitating turds
by dem08

I didn't know anyone could write so eloquently about turds. well done. it is truly a sad state our media is in.

Re: Regurgitating turds
by spiker

If Hillary were to have said the same thing but about blacks who weren't voting for her in North Carolian she'd be excoriated for being a racist.

You know it and I know it. Obama should stop excusing his fuck ups with rationalizations and just admit them. Otherwise he is just like Hillary who only misspoke on any given issue she fucked up.

Kuruman is a fucking sycophant.

Re: Regurgitating turds
by Paula26
Actually, the media DO say that about black people -- that the only reason they're voting for Obama is because he's black.
Re: Regurgitating turds
by spiker

The media and the candidate stereotyping the negative aspects of a group as being the predominant sentiment is dehumanizing and invariably untrue and at best simplistic.

I could stereotype minorities into moral oblivion with statistics as valid as statistics can get. Should I? Of course not.

Does Obama have statistics to back up his bitter characterization for white people not voting for him in Pennsylvania? Of course not.

Re: Regurgitating turds
by kuruman

Spikey

I thought we were BFFs!

As I said on an earlier thread, I'm not sold on Obama. Not only that, as you may even remember dude, I'm not even eligible to vote. My post is about the media and the people. It's not really about Obama. In fact, dip shit, your post validates my point. Hillary could very well be excoriated in the press for making a statement like that. It doesn't make her an ACTUAL racist. It's just the way the press works.

A couple of days later...

"How is Clinton handling the fallout of her racist remarks? Find out after the break".

Re: Regurgitating turds
by spiker

We are bff's and that is why I thought I could get away with forgetting to put a smiley face on an expletive. :0)

Of course Obama and probably Clinton are racist. It is just a matter of degree.

Re: Regurgitating turds
by kuruman

They are both pompous windbags, because that, apparently, is what WE (the country) want in a President, or at least what we get as a result of the asinine process.

Racist? I'm not guessing they are too racist.

hugs and kisses
Re: Regurgitating turds
by Paula26

"at best simplistic"

Why yes I agree, which is why I'm basing my real opinion on the full context of the quote as well as various interviews and even his first book -- in which he pretty much justifies resentment to the powers that be because of their unreliability in regards to economic issues and praises the community that the church and other community-based institutions structure the lives of people in the absence of coherent political organization. This is the same line of reasoning he presented in his speech on race, decrying both black and white anger on identity issues based on competition for resources.

As for the "voting", Penn hasn't voted yet. He was answering a question about "messaging" --at which point he is merely repeating points that have been mentioned ad infinitum since the 2004 elections revealed that people were voting on "values" -- namely, values defined by conservatives. Gay marriage amendments were struck down in eleven states that year, following that we've had people try and pass laws drastically limiting abortion rights like in South Dakota, we had the whole Terry Schaivo fiasco, and most recently the conflict over the latest attempt at immigration reform. We have 24 hour news asking "will conservative voters like this? will the religious right support this?" AND NOT "does this address the concerns of the working class?" "What are the concerns of the working class?"

[And you know what, liberals played right along, talking about redneck this and bigoted people that, and blah blah blah blah instead of trying to understand the sources of those opinions or even offering much of a counter-narrative. These forums are chock-full of that.]

So suddenly a politician makes a half-assed attempt to try and analyze the source of these stereotypes -- based on the way electoral politics has been conducted/messages used by both parties over recent years and he's to be pilloried? When have the msm ever contributed evidence that "conservatives" or "liberals" have opinions that they do because of more than just random positioning for an upcoming election. When do they analyze the causes of opinions?

Or are you just angry that someone dared publicly imply that there's no such thing as ideological purity? That we often base our opinions on outside sources and not our own enlightened choices? That, in fact, one's most cherished values are being manipulated by those in power to provide support for policies that end up being detrimental to our well being?

I'm not even saying that he's completely right. I am saying however, that it was an entirely fair point to make based on recent history and based on the language that both the media and the two parties use to speak about voters. Regardless of what Obama really thinks about "working class people" or the reality thereof, his statement was reflection of the messaging that has been used by both parties to appeal to them.
Re: Regurgitating turds
by moose

Baby Obama, He's just a baby duck so invest in diapers because this isn't going to be the less time he poops his pants.

He even said that himself.

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