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Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by TexasPete
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Iran announced today it is adding 6,000 more centrifuges to its over 3,000 centrifuge uranium enrichment program.

Iran also stated its goal was to eventually have 54,000 centrifuges in operation. The number of 6,000 is reportedly (according to IAEA) enough centrifuges to produce nuclear weapons grade fissable material to produce dozens of nuclear weapons.

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by ctcadguy

Just curious but what about North Korea and Pakistan. Hell Pakistan harbors Bin Laden - how come you cons do not want to blow them up as well.

Is Iran the only nuclear nation the cons want to take out? Where does it stop?

Oh Yeah - the "Project for a New American Century" says we won't stop until a "New World Order" exists.

Thier used to be a fellow with a short Mustache back in the 1930's who had similar ideas. He teamed up with a couple of other fellows from Italy and Japan and also tried that "New World Order" thang. - Did not work out so well for those fellows or thier nations cause the rest of the world said NO.

God has a special place for fascists.

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by TexasPete
ctcadguy:

Just curious but what about North Korea and Pakistan. Hell Pakistan harbors Bin Laden - how come you cons do not want to blow them up as well.

Is Iran the only nuclear nation the cons want to take out? Where does it stop?

Oh Yeah - the "Project for a New American Century" says we won't stop until a "New World Order" exists.

Thier used to be a fellow with a short Mustache back in the 1930's who had similar ideas. He teamed up with a couple of other fellows from Italy and Japan and also tried that "New World Order" thang. - Did not work out so well for those fellows or thier nations cause the rest of the world said NO.

God has a special place for fascists.

Al Quedia may be hiding in Pakistan but it dosent have any nukes and has an absolute zero chanve of getting them from Pakistan.

Diplomacy has worked well with North Korea as they have agreed to give up their nukes to the IAEA and end their production of fissiable material.

CT,...Perhaps you ought to re-read my post. I don't beleive it contains anything about attacking Iran. It was merely an update of current events. While I beleive attacking Iran is one of many options to resolve this situation there are other options that must be tried first. While they have no nukes currently and it will take almost 2 years not for Iran to produce enough fissable material for weapons now is the time for diplomacy however we must stand prepared for anything including but not limited to war with Iran. To be unprepared for such an eventuality would be foolish since there is no doubt that if Iran had nukes they would use them in both open warfare and terrorist plots!

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by ctcadguy

Pakistan is a powder keg. We will never know when a coup d'etat will occur. Radical elements could gain control of thier weapons.

So why not pre-empt? Bush's favorite doctrine.

You think it is unlikely this will occur - I do not.

Bush is crasy enough to listen to Darth Cheney - the man of evil.

The world should start thinking about how dangerous Bush can be.

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by TexasPete

CT,

I don't even beleive this PNAC really exsists it is some mythical monster created by people like Michael Moore as a red herring for folks like you.

I hate facists too However the US has no facists in office either in the Presidency or in Congress.

Dems have provided quite a few Socialists/Stalinists in the Congress but no facists and since Republicans tend to be origionalist/constitutionalist­s they havent produced and facists either.

I know you have your fantasies and your conspiracy theories like 9/11 and PNAC but you got to get a life and get out more! The world you see in your fantasies does not exsist and never will (with Republicans in charge).

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by stallrocket
Pete-its nice that you recognize that "now is the time for diplomacy". One year ago, your fellow conservatives would call you a flake for even suggesting that diplomacy is even possible. One thing we know, the Bush administration has never engaged Iran in direct diplomatic negotiations. Its going to take a new administration to straighten out the many failures of the current crew.
Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by TexasPete
ctcadguy:

Pakistan is a powder keg. We will never know when a coup d'etat will occur. Radical elements could gain control of thier weapons.

So why not pre-empt? Bush's favorite doctrine.

You think it is unlikely this will occur - I do not.

Bush is crasy enough to listen to Darth Cheney - the man of evil.

The world should start thinking about how dangerous Bush can be.

The last round of elections proves Pakikistan can and will remain stable through the worst of times regardless of what your mind may think up.

Bush uses Cheney's advice as all good presidents would listen to their experienced VP's. You may see Cheney as the embodiement of evil but in your cloistered world there is no telling what YOU may see.

GWB is not nor was he ever dangerous unless you consider defending our nation dangerous.

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by TexasPete

stallrocket:
Pete-its nice that you recognize that "now is the time for diplomacy". One year ago, your fellow conservatives would call you a flake for even suggesting that diplomacy is even possible. One thing we know, the Bush administration has never engaged Iran in direct diplomatic negotiations. Its going to take a new administration to straighten out the many failures of the current crew.
Let me ask you this......

What do your beleive the outcome of diplomacy with Iran will be? Will "sabre rattling" be a neccessary part of the diplomacy? If diplomacy fails how will you know when we should go to the next step?

I beleive........ Making Iran beleive we will attack and that we will never remove the military option from the table is a neccessary part of diplomacy. Iran must beleive that they have no otehr choice because given a choice they will produce weapons.

I beleive that negotiations with Iran will be more difficult than with North Korea and that we can't afford for Iran to produce one testable nuke before we make an agreement.

I think that when it is time to move from diplomacy to other options in Iran it is neccessary to do so with surprise, resolve and purpose.

I don't think Iran will budge in negotiations.

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by ctcadguy

Tex:

Here is the link to the Conservative thinktank "Project for a New American Century".

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As a Conservative, shouldn't you know what your own leadership is up to?

Bushies are leaders in this movement.

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by TexasPete

CT,

There may be a thinktank that is called PNAC however the group you envision them to be is pure myth. They are not facists. Think tanks do not set policy and are not elected. Frankly the site you linked me to says a lot I agree with and nothing facist in nature.

The group Micharel Moore and the flaming idiots on Air America have created a mythical beast called PNAC that does not and never will exsiste except in their minds. They chose this legitimate thinktank as their whipping boy to push a liberal agenda.

When I call Democrats socialist I can take actual socialist nations like Germany and compare what Democrats try to pass in legislation and show a direct link between the two. You cannot with PNAC which is not even part of an elected or appointed governmental body.

Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by elemenop2

I don't even beleive this PNAC really exsists it is some mythical monster created by people like Michael Moore as a red herring for folks like you. (actually started by Billy boy Kristol and friends. Do you know how to do a search?)

Project for the New American Century

Established in 1997 by a number of leading neoconservative writers and pundits associated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a nonprofit organization whose declared aim is "to promote American global leadership." PNAC, which has been largely inactive since late 2005, played an important role building public and official support for a post-Cold War interventionist agenda in the Middle East and other global hotspots both before and after the 9/11 terror attacks. Such was its apparent influence that some scholars gave it singular importance in shaping policy during the George W. Bush administration. Writing in the Sociological Quarterly, David Altheide and Jennifer Grimes argued that "PNAC, working with a compliant news media, developed, sold, enacted, and justified a war with Iraq."

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Re: Iran adding 6,000 more centrifuges ......
by ctcadguy

Hey Tex:

The majority of Americans question the official story. That is a political reality for the Repugs.

Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll

Truth Movement has the huge majority of opinion
How will the Bush Cabal react?


A monumental new scientific opinion poll has emerged which declares that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks.

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington rose from almost a third to almost half over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters of the population.

It took 35 plus years for the majority of Americans to wake up to the fact that the assassination of JFK was a government operation. It has only take five years for MORE Americans to wake up to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job on behalf of the Neoconservative crime syndicate within the US.

Reference to past polls show that in the last five years there has been an explosion in numbers of those who do not buy the official line.

In 2004 a Zogby Poll showed that just over half of New Yorkers believed there was a cover up.

In May of this year another Zogby poll indicated that around half of ALL Americans did not buy the official story.

The latest poll also shows a massive awakening has occurred recently given that previous estimates indicated that around 34% still believed the official story and around 30% were oblivious altogether.

Sorry Tex but I am in the Majority - You are again out of the mainstream!

Iranian People Do Not Like Their Rulers
by Prairieman
But as of now they can't do much about it save vote in very small significance elections. Having known quite a few Iranian exiles 25+ years ago, I believe Iran would be secular (like Turkey) if the people were given additional freedoms. The leftover hostage-takers and imams are bankrupt of ideas, so they make themselves the martyr.
Re: Iranian People Do Not Like Their Rulers
by TexasPete

Prairieman:
But as of now they can't do much about it save vote in very small significance elections. Having known quite a few Iranian exiles 25+ years ago, I believe Iran would be secular (like Turkey) if the people were given additional freedoms. The leftover hostage-takers and imams are bankrupt of ideas, so they make themselves the martyr.
I agree with you there. If an attack becomes neccessary it should be limited to nuclear production and military targets. I really would not consider going into a war with Iraq as we have with Iran. The most I could see is a gulf war like scenario where we deplete their forces and get out (but this time setting up an internal revolt which we would support)

I was a cadet at NMMI when the Hostage crisis occurred we had an Iranian cadet there however his family was executed by Kohmeni's forces becuase they were aligned with the Shah. Cadet Amezideh tried 3 times to commit suicide before he succeeded. He said without his family he had nothing to live for. Ther were other cadets from Iran there too however I'll bet they would be happy to return to lead a revolt of the religious government there.

Re: Iranian People Do Not Like Their Rulers
by TexasPete

Prairieman:
But as of now they can't do much about it save vote in very small significance elections. Having known quite a few Iranian exiles 25+ years ago, I believe Iran would be secular (like Turkey) if the people were given additional freedoms. The leftover hostage-takers and imams are bankrupt of ideas, so they make themselves the martyr.
I agree with you there. If an attack becomes neccessary it should be limited to nuclear production and military targets. I really would not consider going into a war with Iraq as we have with Iran. The most I could see is a gulf war like scenario where we deplete their forces and get out (but this time setting up an internal revolt which we would support)

I was a cadet at NMMI when the Hostage crisis occurred we had an Iranian cadet there however his family was executed by Kohmeni's forces becuase they were aligned with the Shah. Cadet Amezideh tried 3 times to commit suicide before he succeeded. He said without his family he had nothing to live for. Ther were other cadets from Iran there too however I'll bet they would be happy to return to lead a revolt of the religious government there.

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