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Count Florida and Michigan and Hillary still loses
by hawaiimike
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Hillary would have a net gain of 380,000 in the popular vote if she was given Florida and Michigan as is now.

She would have a net gain of less than 50 delegates if she was given Florida and Michigan as is now.

So the bottom line is that with Florida and Michigan counted, the chances of Hillary making up the ground she's lost is very unlikely.


Where is this overwhelming advantage that Hillary has?

It doesn't exist. Neither does the argument that she'd be the best against McCain.


Hillary is a losing candidate. Its only a matter of time.

Re: Count Florida and Michigan and Hillary still loses
by gearby

This post is truly humorous at best. HawaiiMike, you must be roasting some of that special Maui Wowie. LOL Hillary doesn't have a huge advantage and I'd be curious to even know who said that, but if the popular vote is counted, and she has a lead in the popular vote there are many many superdelegates who haven't committed either way. But judging from how many have said they wouldn't want to overturn the will of the people, this could get very interesting. You can be sure this thing is going all the way.

Re: Count Florida and Michigan and Hillary still loses
by NightSwimmer
I'm not seeing the humor in Mike's post. It looks like cold, hard facts to me. Hillary is still losing even if you give her a mulligan on the illegitimate vote count in FL and MI.
Re: Count Florida and Michigan and Hillary still loses
by sonofeucrates

To emphasize the point:

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And then, because things can't be too simple:

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Re: Count Florida and Michigan and Hillary still loses
by hawaiimike
The above newsweek article is fantastic. Its a very complicated process. More so then I ever knew. Great read. This nomination is a mess. I still don't believe that Hillary will ever get the nomination without an actual solid case for winning the popular vote. If she goes to the convention on "what ifs" and hypothetical argument, she won't get it. It will probably come down to how many voters would be turned off or alienated by giving the nomination to Clinton. I would vote for whoever the nominee is, but I could see a lot of Obama supporters staying home or voting 3rd party if Obama loses while holding the delegate lead state by state. Hillary supporters that are bitter, will leave for whatever reason they decide. I don't see a way for Hillary to be nominated without alienating a helluva lot of people. Besides putting Obama on the ticket.
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