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Hillary bashing
by buyerbeware
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I'm am not a Hillary supporter but am getting real sick and tired of all the"guys" demanding she quit the race and knocking the hell out of her to boot. Just who is this empty suit Obama anyway that he deserves so much adulation from the media and others? What has he ever done or legislated that makes him such a grand candidate for the highest office in the land. Nothing!! A good speaker but so what? Get real.
Re: Hillary bashing
by EarlyBird
Hey, don't worry about Hillary. Anyone who can face down incoming sniper fire can handle some criticism from "the guys."

I should point out that Obama has not been tough on her one bit about her tour of duty in Bosnia. Blame pundits and all that for picking on her, but Obama has shown a lot of respect to McCain, Hillary and all the war heroes out there.
Re: Hillary bashing
by alexc
He's done plenty of legislative work in a short time span. You might want to look it up instead of perpetuating that particular lie that went on for quite a while. Just the two most significant to me that I can remember off of the top of my head are: Obama-Coburn, which passed a while ago, and a proposed bill to make contractors--Blackwater, for instance--in Iraq accountable under U.S. law. You can take a look at Obama-Coburn by going to www.usaspending.gov for an online database of all government contracts, whether or not they were no bid, etc. There's plenty more as well, but you might as well look for yourself if you care in the slightest about avoiding the perpetuation of false rumors.
Re: Hillary bashing
by whatsyourworldview
You're correct about Obama; but Hillary deserves the bashing since she expects us to believe the drivel and significant distortions she speaks.
Empty Suit
by spruce

While in the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored 823 bills.

In his first two years in the Senate, Obama sponsored 152 bills.

He has sponsored more since then.

Re: Empty Suit
by jlapro
spruce:

While in the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored 823 bills.

In his first two years in the Senate, Obama sponsored 152 bills.

He has sponsored more since then.

I am surprised, Spruce, that you are totally unaware that many of the bills he allegedly 'sponsored' were actually farmed out to him (at the expense of other State Senators who actually did most of the work on them) by the State Senate majority leader who undertook to pad Obama's resume to make him a more attractive candidate for the US Senate.

Below is a link to an article by a reporter who covered him in those days.

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I'm pasting some of the text of the article also.

from article by Todd Spivak of Dallas Observer:

"Then, in 2002, dissatisfaction with President Bush and Republicans on the national and local levels led to a Democratic sweep of nearly every level of Illinois state government. For the first time in 26 years, Illinois Democrats controlled the governor's office as well as both legislative chambers.

The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James "Pate" Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned black senator known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.

Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama's. He became Obama's kingmaker.

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.

I called Kelley last week, and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," state Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the 1-yard line and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."

During his seventh and final year in the Illinois Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law—including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced. It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics, and he couldn't have done it without Jones.

Before Obama ran for U.S. Senate in 2004, he was virtually unknown even in his own state. Polls showed less than 20 percent of Illinois voters had ever heard of Barack Obama.

Jones further helped raise Obama's profile by having him craft legislation addressing the day-to-day tragedies that dominated local news headlines."

Spivak goes on to discuss how Obama rewarded his state senate mentor:

"So how has Obama repaid Jones?

Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones' Senate district.

Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending.

I'll never forget what he said:

"Some call it pork; I call it steak."

end quoted article.


I am aware of this...
by spruce

...and you make a fatal error:

As noted, Obama sponsored 823 bills while in the Illinois Senate. He was in the Senate from 1997 to 2004. Jones didn't start primping Obama until 2002-03.

How do you explain all the bills Obama sponsored prior to Jones active involvement?

1997-98 (90th General Assembly)

1999-2000 (91st General Assembly)

2001-2002 (92nd General Assembly)


agree, thank you. They should just ...
by Lunesta

shut up, imho. It will be interesting to see if any of the women (especially) voters who are SO annoyed at these calls for her to back down, will let their CongressMEN, Governors (Richardson) or Senators (Dodd, et al) who are doing this, will let their reps KNOW how pissed they are, both now & in Novembers when it counts.

Good question about the empty suit. Clearly we DON't know enough about him or who he really is (as opposed to who he postures / presents himself to be) ... so much so, that it is frightening to many (more experienced) voters.

As for the media adulation, they are trend-chasers and fad-worshippers, even when the FAD is of their own creation. You're quite right, "a good speaker but so what?" He's an Empty Suit making thousands of Empty Promises.

Empty Suit & Emil Jones ...
by Lunesta
You have to wonder why the MSmedia has so buried this story. I only ever see it or see it referred to, in BLOGS or political-oriented sites, NEVER in any important way in the mainstream media or SLATE columns. Obama's OWN record is slim (I have done some research, too) and much of it is questionable, inc'g. the still controversial "present" votes in the IL. State Senate. But the Obama-nauts (nuts) continue to put forward these claimed number of bills AS IF Barack had actually made some substantive differences in Springfield. In Washington D.,C., he has had almost NO impact in the US Senate and that is widely acknowledged. Thanks for the clip & link.
It won't matter, of course, bec. the MSM is SO clearly & visibly biased toward Obama now, the damage has been done. We will pay for their mistakes of omission dearly, come November, should things go his way.
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