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It's Time to Vet Chelsea
by TheBell
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I think I’m starting to get into this whole idea that we need to thoroughly vet the candidates running for President this year, as well as their families and close associates, in order to assure they pass muster. Without this kind of digging, would America have ever learned about the Reverend Jeremiah Wright and what his long-time relationship as friend, mentor, and pastor to Barack Obama says about that candidate’s character and judgement?

Yet this is only a start. I say we have not gone far enough. There is a person in this race who is getting a complete pass from the media, a person who has gotten by on their smile for too long, a person with whom all of us are familiar and many of us like strongly but about whom we know almost next to nothing.

I’m speaking, of course, about . . . Chelsea Clinton.

Sure, she’s enjoyed quasi-celebrity status, paling around with Gweneth Paltrow and Madonna, but any press coverage of her, let alone a critical vetting, is likely to land its author in hot water. Sources divergent as Rush Limbaugh to Saturday Night Live to the New York Post have apologized to her parents and the White House for writing unflatering things about her.

A Stanford senior and journalism major was fired in 1997 when he wrote a profile about Chelsea as an incoming freshman for the the Stanford Daily. When John McCain made an off-color joke riddiculing Chelsea at a 1998 Republican fundraiser, he was largely let off the hook by a mainstream media that did not want to hurt the First Daughter’s feeling by reprinting his words.

Even her own mother apologized when remarks she made during her 2006 Senate re-election run, regarding a perceived lack of work ethic in young people, hurt Chelsea’s feelings.

But apparently all gloves are indeed off in this year’s Democratic battle. Yesterday, Chelsea was speaking on her mother’s behalf at Butler University in Indiana. While taking questions from the audience, a student asked her if she believed her mother's credibility had been hurt during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Chelsea’s response was quick and angry.

“Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question, in the, maybe seventy college campuses that I've been to. And I don't think that's any of your business.”

Her refusal to answer is troubling. After all, we know by now that a Clinton White House – any Clinton White House – is one where apparently all family members are purportedly involved with important policy formulation and decision-making. Part of Chelsea’s whole campaign is that she will be ready to be First Daughter from day one, in no small part based on her past time in the White House. Her supporters have suggested that, in comparison, Malia and Natasha Obama, ages ten and seven, are too young, inexperienced, immature, and even woefully naïve – Natasha is reported to actually still believe in Santa Claus.

So what is the real deal? Is Chelsea ready to lead shock troops in Iraq or is she just an empty Versace designer outfit getting a free ride from an indulgent media? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Seriously, I’d join those applauding Chelsea for a quick and “classy” putdown of an intrusion into her privacy if that was what the Indiana student’s question really consisted. This is simply not the case.

Chelsea is no longer the twelve-year-old little girl she was when Bill Clinton moved his family into the White House. She is a twenty-eight year old woman with a degree in History from Stanford and a Masters in International Relations from Oxford. She’s worked as a New York consultant and investment analyst.

Nor is she the hapless daughter caught in the middle of her father’s scandal. She was speaking, by choice, as an official representative of her mother’s Presidential campaign.

Nor did the student ask her if she was personally upset by Bill’s philandering. He asked her if she thought ii impacted her mother’s credibility and that, in my opinion, is a very fair question indeed.

The best arguments I have heard against Barack Obama’s recent flap regarding racism are not that he is a bigot himself or that he is “guilty by association” with Reverend Wright’s remarks. Rather, the logic runs that by voluntarily sitting in Wright’s church for twenty years and listening to him preach a confrontational style regarding race relations, and sometimes pure hate speech, Obama displayed poor judgment and a hypocrisy that stands starkly against his run for President on a “Kumbaya, hands across the aisles” message.

Fair enough. But if, by refusing to leave Wright’s church, Obama was effectively enabling Wright’s hate speech and striking a blow to race relations, then how is Hillary Clinton’s refusal to leave Bill despite his serial philandering anything other than enabling his infidelity and striking a blow to feminism?

If Obama should be condemned for allowing his two daughters to sit in the pews every Sunday morning and listen to Wright spew racism, why shouldn’t Clinton be condemned with equal vigor for allowing her daughter to remain in a home, twenty-four seven, with a man who demonstrated no respect for his marriage or family?

Why should Clinton’s decision to stick by her husband be “a private matter” when Obama’s decision to stick by his pastor is viewed as only too appropriate for public scorn by so many? Because Bill’s infidelity hurt only her? Right or wrong, the Lewinski affair absorbed and tore apart this entire country from the time the story broke until Clinton finally left office.

Clinton weighed in on the Wright controversy yesterday, saying that if he had been her pastor, she would have left the church. “You don't choose your family but you choose what church you want to attend,” she explained. Maybe you don’t choose your mother’s crazy old Uncle but you most certainly choose your spouse and choose to remain with them despite their actions.

In her remarks about Wright, Clinton went on to say that when you strongly believe something to be wrong, “I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving.” We’re still all waiting for Hillary’s big move.

By voluntarily remaining married to Bill, whether for political expediency or something as selfless as “for Chelsea’s sake,” Clinton has long displayed poor judgment and a hypocrisy that stands starkly against her run for President on an “I’m the grown-up with seasoned judgment” message.

Some argue the Wright flap proves Obama is just another politician, that he is no better than the other candidates. If so, the flip side is also true and Clinton is no better than Obama. With all things even, are we better off taking our chances with the guy who sat and left his pastor get away with claiming that all white men are out to hurt black people or the woman who stood by and let a white man get away with hurting her and their daughter over and over again?

Stop playing the victim card and answer the damn question, Chelsea.
vetting the family, or, why we get assholes for politicians
by Sarvis

our approach to examining candidates "character", coupled with the demands that they whore themselves for the corporate dollar, fairly guarantees that we drive out the people that we actually want to do the job.

Instead we get the crazies, idiots, sociopaths, and eogtists.

Why must we continue to destroy
by Woolley
the candidates for office simply because we can? I really do not want to pick and choose between the 300 million Americans in order to find the one or two perfect, spotless, sincere and honest people out there in that mass of humanity. I get so tired of these types of fake issues. Once you get to be about 50, forget about Saint Hood, life is too complicated. I am waiting for a North Vietnamese to come forth and say McCain once helped the man do something, if its out there, we seem to think its relevant.
interesting comment
by Snolly G
and it underscores what people just aren't good at: identifying criteria that matter, and then evaluating candidates against those standards.
Sorry, have to disagree ...
by Lunesta

and am not totally sure that I buy the objections of the young man who posed the supposedly 'innocent, supportive' question, either. (And yes, I read the full text of the exchange earlier today on CNNNews.com) Imo, he was making a cheap shot bid for HIS 15 minutes of fame. Well, he got it.

As for Hillary's refusal to leave Bill Clinton, or whatever your over-stated language about her marriage was, it in no way mitigates or diminishes her identity as a strong feminist or a thinking, independent-minded woman, T.B. Sorry but -- as a woman (a divorced, highly independent, heterosexual, feminist woman & activist womanpoet), I don't think that's your call. As a man, you should be more careful about making such judgments. Especially such a naive one!

If every woman in America whose husband strayed decided to leave her husband over it,.our current divorce rate would be around 75 to 80% (OR HIGHER), not the actual 45% or whatever it was, when last recorded.

Talk about naive! Women whose spouses have strayed (and who knows, possibly even men whose spouses have strayed) have their own reasons for staying in their challenged marriages. And their reasons for doing so are, frankly, NONE of your business ... or mine. The whole thing was NONE of our business, actually -- nor of Ken Starr's, either.

And Chelsea Clinton had every right in the world to politely refuse to answer the young man's rude and irrelevant question, imho. And btw, she is being supported in that decision today, all over the BLOGosphere (horrendous phrase). First time I have ever posted negatively to a Top Post of yours, btw.

ANYTHING to dump on the Clintons, eh? ANYTHING. It is amazing -- even coming from you. The answer to your question is, we are better off with Hillary than with the inexperienced, neophyte Obama, Btw. If Chelsea was THAT injured by her father's philanderings, she has had every chance in the world to say so -- or to refuse to support her mother's candidacy or to sever her close relationship with her father. Clearly, you see what choices SHE has made. Their family relationship is none of your business, T.B.

Exactly, Sarvis.
by Lunesta
At this point, who in their right mind would run for Deputy Sheriff of Pitkin County, no less President of the United States? This level of scrutiny is insane and not at all productive. I think this is the first negative response I've ever had, or posted, to a post by The Bell but this one is almost totally off-base. Still got so much snow, btw?
Exactly. Fake issue, indeed.
by Lunesta

Life is too complicated, indeed.

Also, O.T. (not really) I posted back to you a few days ago, Woolley. For the record, I am not a Republican and I am not a guy. You assumed I was both. I am simply a lifelong female Democrat voter who dislikes your candidate and will not vote for him. From posts of mine expressing that view, you assumed I was both a Republican and a guy. Interesting.

But now you know I'm neither.

use family as campaign props at your peril
by baltimore aureole

i think hillary is "a big fat liar" (satire alert) if she can serve up her only daughter as a campaign prop, yet expect no challenging questions.

the bush twins were hounded pretty consistently by the press, whether it was sipping a brewski underage, who they were dating, or the prescription drive thru incident. why is asking chelsea her opinion of l'affair d'lewinsky forbidden?

this IS the same chelsea that is being served up as a "dinner date companion" for undecided/umarried white male delegates, right?

no . .. i didn't use the "P" word . .. but you came to same conclusion.

that reporter should get his job back, no?

Re: It's Time to Vet Chelsea
by topazz

Frankly, I was really surprised when she said it was never brought up before, not even once, in the 70 colleges she's visited during the campaign so far. College students (of any group a candidate speaks to) are kind of notorious for getting right to the heart of a matter.

It would be interesting if someone would investigate whether these colleges were warned ahead of time that any Monica Lewinsky-related questions were off-limits.

Re: Exactly. Fake issue, indeed.
by Woolley
OK, I saw your post. It sure sounded like you were a Republican. As for your support of Hillary, good luck with that. Personally, I see the old Democratic Party in her. Obama and folks like him are the future of the party whether we agree with him or not.
Don't Tase Me, Bro
by Urquhart

I dunno, I'd be highly embarrassed to ask Chelsea about her dad getting blowjobs from under the desk.

Seems indecorous, somehow.

Re: It's Time to Vet Chelsea
by ChicagoEngineer

I'm not sure I agree as to the relavence of Hillary's decision to stick out the marriage. I'm not sure a decision to stick with Bill makes her less of a feminist any more than a decision to divorce him would have made her more of one. I always thought that feminism was about choice (which is why throw up in my mouth a little when her supporters talk about "sisterhood" as if she's entitled to the female vote) and she made hers for reasons we'll never know. Probably several difference, nuanced reasons, that took her weeks or months to sort out. Maybe she really loves bill, maybe she did it for her daughter, maybe it was to avoid doing more harm to the country in a difficult time, maybe it was to advance her own career, maybe it was all or none of those. Of course, I'm also in the camp that believes Obama's sticking with his church is also far more nuanced than his opponents would have you believe.

But I would prefer to be spared the righteous indignation from Chelsea. If she's going to stump for her mother, she ought to know what's coming. She's an intelligent woman, and acting like a petulant child when someone asks a question she doesn't like isn't exactly helping the feminist cause either.

I did hear!
by ellen__
In the past days, weeks, months (how time flies on the campaign trail)
that in fact, Chelsea 'doesn't' take questions during her appearances.
I can understand why.

We're all just to gather 'round in awe I suppose, and let it go at that.
Sounds practiced to a fault
by OneEyedJasper

Her response, that is. It seems like she had practiced it and had it locked and loaded just in case some college kid with the latest "bed head" hair style asked the question.

The problem is he didn't ask THAT question. How do we know? Because she answered a different question.

"That's none of your business."

What is exactly none of his business? Mrs. Clinton's credibility? Uh, no. Her credibility is every voter's business including the kid who asked the question. It is in fact his business. And her credibility was at the very heart of his question.

Now, we all know what question Chelsea wished the kid would have asked, "What do you think of your father's philandering?" or "Why did your mother stick with Bill after he confessed?"

BUT

He didn't ask either of those questions. He asked about her mom's credibility. Not only did she not answer the question but she didn't address it either. So to shave off all the modifiers an window dressing the exchange went:

"What about your mom's credibility?"

"That's none of your business."

Okay. Perhaps Chelsea would like to comment on what IS our business.

Pfui, CE. Not Remotely Legitimate
by Urquhart

What sort of person does it take to ask a daughter about her father's blowjobs, and how that affected her mother?

It takes someone with a future chasing celebrity cars with flash-bulbs. In other words, an utterly odious person who's taking up space required for other purposes, and has no right to exist for longer than is convenient.

We've come to a pretty pass, when this is considered part of the routine.

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