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Sen. Obama, and the National Anthem
by Smarmalade
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TITLE 36 > Subtitle I > Part A > CHAPTER 3 > § 301 § 301. National anthem (a) Designation.—

The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b) Conduct During Playing.—

During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;

(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

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Y'all might want to see the rest of the officials like Gov. Bill Richardson, Senator Clinton, Sen Biden and others all have their right hand over their heart. Senator Obama simply doesn't want to demonstrate that good traditional american custom.

I too support meaningless jingoistic
by Woolley

displays and slogans. The more the merrier. YOu should see me at ball games.

I know that you want to make the claim that the current front runner in the Democratic Parties nomination for President of the United States actually is a manchurian candidate that does not love or respect the nation he serves. I wish you luck in your quest to make the trivial seem monumental.

Re: I too support meaningless jingoistic
by Smarmalade

A Presidential contender who blatantly gives a "signal" to all who see that part of the news clip that he doesn't give a hoot about any american standards about the national anthem or the flag and how to behave as a Senator, a representative of this nation of people in Congress?

What a Hoot!

I mean, once this Obamaman sees how he can manipulate this nation, everyone, the MSM which treats him with kid gloves, do you really believe he means well?

Of course he does. He means well for his own personal agenda...and he ain't telling ANYBODY what it is.

After all, he learned it all at the foot of the Master, President Bush!

Re: Sen. Obama, and the National Anthem
by SwingLowSweetDeej

Sound reason for not liking the man...bravo to you!

Re: I too support meaningless jingoistic
by RainMan

It's not meaningless, Wolley, it traditional and it demonstrates respect for the flag and for the country.

Anyone who refuses to do it is not refusing to support meaningless jinggoism...you are refusing to show respect for ther country and telling those around you that you are an enemy to the United States. Whether you do it out of hatred, ignorance or just to show off, it is still offensive.

I am not surprised that you support an American hating bigot for president.

Jack

Here's what I don't understand
by ducadmo

If they wanted people to sing a national anthem, why didn't they write a national anthem that people could sing? I go to a baseball game and it feels like I'm listening to 10,000 prairie dogs in heat. Even professional singers have a hard time making music out of that dang thing.

The reason people are supposed to put their hand over their heart has nothing to do with patriotism. It's for the old folks to check their pulse when they get up into that 'rockets red glare' shit. Some of them still pass out. Even when they don't it's not a pretty thing to watch, not to mention hear.

A lot of people put their hand over their heart and then they don't even sing. What is the fucking point of doing that? That is like sayin' 'I am too chickenshit to sing in the land of the free home of the brave.' If you too scared to sing, I don't want you in my foxhole.

So, to be fair, they should move it from the start of a ballgame to the end. Everybody sounds better after a few brewskis. Hell, I'd even sing the second verse. Does anybody know the words to the second verse? Don't you wonder how many people know there even is a second verse? Don't you wonder how many people actually know the words to the first verse?

And what does that song have to do with anything? Some guy wrote that while we was getting the shit kicked out of us by the British in the war of 1812. All that song is saying is 'nyah, nyah, ya missed me ...'

It is a dumb song, meant for people who don't know they can't sing or people who know they can't sing and don't.

I couldn't agree with you more.
by Woolley
I find all compulsory displays of loyalty, patriotism, jingoism and allegiance to be repulsive. You want to know what is true patriotism? Defending our country while abroad while conservatives push the President of the United States to the point where he has to lie under oath about a blowjob. Try doing that overseas and still maintain some degree of respect for our institutions. I have had one singular moment of true patriotism in my life. It was at JFK, December 2, 2002. I emerged from customs to hear the Harlem Choir singing Christmas Carols in the foyer of the terminal. I welled up immediately. You see, I had just spent the last 8 months or so backpacking through half of Africa, almost died of malaria and was dead flat broke, I had 10 bucks on me and no ticket back to California. I was never, ever so glad to be home as I was on that day. Thats patriotism, not this phony crap at ball games and town meetings.
Respect?
by Woolley
More meaningless calls to conform to some sort of national standard just for the sake of doing so. This smacks of militarism in my opinion. I do not care for it myself but respect those who do. You see, I don't make a big deal when others put their hand on their hearts, in a free country, one should expect reciprocity of respect. But, there is a desire by some to compel the rest of us to toe the line. I just see it as a form of coercion. As for the hating America shit, I am starting to begin to think about thinking about hating conservative America....nah, we love you hillbilly suckers...
Re: Sen. Obama, and the National Anthem
by julieboomer

there is no need to place one's hand over one's heart during the national anthem.

that is reserved for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Forget logic.
by Woolley

This entire topic is not about Obama, its about diverting the electorate away from the horrible record of conservatives and the disastrous state of affairs. The Hillary crowd crowing on about protocol violations are like snobs in an old English Novel about the nobility.

"I say ole chap, did you see that man over there sit down without first waiting for the ladies?"

"Why yes, yes indeed. Most uncouth of him, can't have him in the club. Where did he come from? America?"

"Ha Ha Ha!"

"Ho Ho Ho!"

Re: Here's what I don't understand (Duc)
by RainMan

That, of course, is not the point but rather another poor attempt to excuse Obama's Anti-America agenda.

Jack

Re: Sen. Obama, and the National Anthem
by RainMan

No Real American would support Barack Obama.

Jack

Re: Here's what I don't understand
by jeqal

Has anyone ever considered the idea that the anthem at baseball games is designed so that men could know how annoying all the gibberish is about sports?

More seriously, it is a symbol. For someone who says he is going to be our public servant, (which is what any public office is supposed to be) to not find the energy to move his hand up to his heart in show of support of the USA. If that is too much for this guy to deal with then....in memory of my father and uncles who were in WWII, my great great great great great great great great great etc grandfather who was in the Revolutionary war, for great great uncles in the civil war, for cousins who were in Vietnam and Korea, and for my nephew who is in Iraq, who know what it is to pay for patriotism. If that lazy sob can't put his hand up to his heart for an octave too high song, then I'll thank god I'm not his grandma.

It symbolizes a moment in the author of the poems life when during a conflict he was not sure if the British or the American flag was up. It is a symbol of hope and America's ability to prevail despite the odds against us.....yeah I can see why Obama would be against that.

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"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first." General Charles De Gaulle


I offer nothing on behalf
by ducadmo

Mr. Obama. I'm certain he can manage for himself. What I did was to explain why I have no problem with his actions. We have had this discussion before, but allow me to reiterate.

I hold none of these gestures or symbols sacrosanct. I cannot pledge allegiance to a colored wad of cotton. For me, a pledge is non-trivial. Out of love, I pledge fidelity to my wife. It is also out of love that I pledge allegiance to God, but as I can serve but one master, I can make that pledge to no other and cannot imagine how any Christian could do otherwise, but I do not mean to discourage that effort.

From me, this nation will have to be satisfied with my love and as long as its path does not stray from the love of God, there is no reason for that affection to be insufficient in our common purpose.

As for the Star Spangled Banner, it is just bad music for ordinary people with lyrics that have little meaning to the purpose of this nation.

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