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Funny ... but still
by ZiggyTosh

Listen, we've all been 20-something hipsters. I'm not saying your piece isn't funny or that it doesn't adopt just the right balance between condescension and admiration. I really, truly, have felt about Disney exactly the way you seem to.

But what you can't realize is that the place changes when you have kids. The fakery, the creepy corporatism ... it all fades into the background and all of a sudden what seems most noteworthy about Disney is the sheer magnitude of the fact that here is a multinational corporation, with multinational resources, wholly dedicated (for profit, admittedly) to the imaginary lives of children. It's a place where a four-year-old can be a real cowboy, or a princess, or visit the frontier, or fly on a baby elephant, or meet Peter Pan. That's what the place is about. You simply haven't seen Disney until you've watched the firework display with your toddler perched on your shoulders.

I'm not saying Disney should be the whole of anyone's existence, and certainly a parent should do many other things to stimulate a child's imagination in a more active way and not just as a spectator. But Disney lets dreams be real, and says that anything is possible. By the time you get to be a 20-something hipster, that message has lost its power. But as foundational material for a child's imaginative worldview and sense of possibility ... well as a parent, all I can say is that I appreciate there is an organization out there doing what they do on the scale they do it, and I'm happy to pay them for it.

Re: Funny ... but still
by tamjak

I am no longer a 20 or a 30 something childless hipster and I now have children of my own, but I don't really think that going to Disney will be as much fun as going to our local Six Flags park. The rides are updated, more exciting, and there are more of them. I believe Disney to be the ultimate in cheesiness.

Re: Funny ... but still
by ZiggyTosh
To each his own.
Re: Funny ... but still
by plockwoo

My kids love DisneyWorld too. They're young enough that they think the characters are real.

I don't find Disney "soulless" at all -- most "hipsters" I run into are soulless -- they're so cynical and ironic they lack even the slightest hint of sincerity.

I went to DisneyWorld when I was an oh-so-wise 15 year old and had an experience similar to that of Seth Stevenson. I've since matured, and now I enjoy it.

Re: Funny ... but still
by Generic Voter
You either get the Disney parks or you don't. People who don't get it usually say something like "It's so fake." People who do get it respond "Duh."
Re: Funny ... but still
by icemilkcoffee

I agree with the OP. Disneyland is one of those places that, one moment you could be disgusted with the plasticky phoniness, and the next moment you are moved to the bottom of your heart watching some tiny kids hug Donald Duck.

One time I was with a (tumulteous) girlfriend, and riding the 'Small World' boat ride. I was suddenly seized by the experience and the song ('It's a small world after all') that I couldn't control my tears. Luckily- it was pretty dark in there ;)

The best I can say is- it's endless lines, hassles, and phoniness, and then suddenly there it is- Magic!

Re: Funny ... but still
by GehennaApocrypha
tamjak:

I am no longer a 20 or a 30 something childless hipster and I now have children of my own, but I don't really think that going to Disney will be as much fun as going to our local Six Flags park. The rides are updated, more exciting, and there are more of them. I believe Disney to be the ultimate in cheesiness.

Disney tries to make its rides family-friendly. The only roller coaster that is even close to modern thrill rides you will find at Disney is the Rock N' Roller Coaster at Disney's Hollywood Studios. Granted, it's an exact copy of Xpress, a Vekoma coaster at Walibi World in Biddinghuizen, Flevoland Netherlands; but it is the only ride you will find on Disney property (besides the roller coaster simulators at DisneyQuest in Downtown Disney) that inverts.

If you're looking for thrills and excitement, Six Flags Magic Mountain in California is hard to beat. But what's missing from the Six Flags parks I've been to has been true attention to detail in theming. Going to Disney is like stepping into another world. I think that is part of what makes Disney so popular.

Just putting in a new coaster will run you over $10M. Theming the coaster and surrounding area will run you even more. Expedition Everest cost $100M to build for a reason. The coaster technology used, if we could compare the average cost for most coasters and elements, would cap out at about $20M. The remaining millions were likely spent making that replica of Everest look real. The result? Even though Everest isn't the biggest thrill out there, it's something you just need to experience because it shows what can be accomplished when you theme a coaster, not just build a coaster.

Re: Funny ... but still
by Andaia
Thanks a lot Icemilkcoffee....now I will have the "It's a Small World" theme song running through my head for the next three days. ;-)
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