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Everything falls on the women
by jhatcher
I see this is because women make poor choices of not using birth control. Meaning once again men need not take any responsibility for how the women becomes pregant, so not only do they not have to make sure they don't become a father by wearing a condom, but then many don't even bother paying support, or seeing the child, I think if more men would step up to the responsibility plate and take a pill or wear a condom for the corner store, there would be less issues all around. Some how in all these articles it is dumped on the women that she should be using birth control, what about the men, why shouldnt' they be using birth control?
Re: Everything falls on the women
by Wolden
ultimately the woman makes the choice. Some lie about birth control. Some are less than faithful. Either way, she is negligent in not protecting herself from unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. This is not just about her using birth control. It is about her protecting herself and choosing to have unprotected sex. Hello ladies!! Wake up!! Child support and battles over kids are no fun. Do not carry one unless you have a supportive father in your life!! It takes two to make em and two to raise em!! Even if you do not live together, that man better be responsible enough to share custody with. If he is not, IT IS YOUR FAULT FOR LETTING YOURSELF GET PREGNANT TO BEGIN WITH especially with such a loser.
women have ALL the power!
by jazzguitarman

Unless a women is raped a women can MAKE a guy where a condom. If a women gets pregrant she also has the ONLY say on whether a child is born or not.

So tell me where women do NOT have ALL the power?

As a liberal I worked very hard the last 25 years to ensure women gained equal rights and power. Women have it now. It is up to women to use this power wisely.

If a women is willing to have sex with a man that refuses to use a condom than she should do the right thing an have an abortion. I didn't support a women right of choice for nothing.

Re: Everything falls on the women
by CEJ

what about the men, why shouldnt' they be using birth control?

Because THEY aren't the ones getting pregnant! So many of you hate the idea of "needing" a man to raise a child.. and yet you have no problem insisting that he take charge of reproduction. It is YOUR body, you are responsible for it.... and what goes in and what comes out.

Re: Everything falls on the women
by Tinkrbl777

Are you listening, Ladies????? These jerks are probably getting it left and right. Time to say, "No!" I wouldn't want to raise a child with any one of these people.

Men! Carry a bloody condom! Since it's your penis that it will be covering, let's make that YOU'RE repsonsibility! Shall we? After all, we shouldn't just worry about sex . . . . or have you not heard of a little thing called HPV?

And, Ladies, the scary part is, if a guy has any type of strain of HPV, so what! It does NOTHING to them! But there are certain types of HPV strains that will cause cervical cancer. Are you listening to these jerks? They don't care about your or your children. As much as I believe it is EVERYONE's repsonsibility to be responsible, yet again . . . . . the man leaves it to the woman.

And this is why we are quickly losing respect for men.

Thank you, God, for the wonderful, responsible man that I have married and that I am completely out of these scene!

you appear very bitter
by jazzguitarman

Each person must be responsible for their own actions. PERIOD. Most women KNOW they are dating or screwing a jerk. It really isn't very hard to figure that one out.

So why do women continue to like the 'bad boys'?

A wise women would have her own set of condoms. If the guys says he doesn't want to use it she shows him the door.

There is no reason to be bitter about it. Any person that allows a jerk to walk all other them is the bigger jerk.

Women trade common sense for made up romance. What does that say about them? Not much.

PS: Most young men are jerks but this has been known since the dawn of man!

Re: you appear very bitter
by Tinkrbl777
I take it you are a young man . .. .
Re: you appear very bitter
by jazzguitarman

No I'm 50 years old. I always practiced safe sex and I recommend to the young guys I know to do the same BUT I'm not sure these guys get it.

So it is up to the women to protect herself. Hoping that a guy will NOT be selfish isn't going to cut it. Being bitter about how men are doesn't protect her either.

I have voted in each election to ensure women have equal rights and sexual freedom. But I cannot vote to make men less jerks.

Thus it is up to the women to protect themselves. Really what is it about this message that appears to piss you off so much?

Re: you appear very bitter
by CEJ

I have voted in each election to ensure women have equal rights and sexual freedom. But I cannot vote to make men less jerks.

Thus it is up to the women to protect themselves.

:::thunderous applause::: Hun, you could be my twin brother! Well, except you are a bit older:-P THIS is the point I have been trying to make all day! I have three daughters and have drummed this into their brains from day one... Your body, your choice. And that "choice" planning should start LONG before you find yourself in stirrups.

Re: Everything falls on the women
by freda747

Everything does not fall on the woman! In the case of BLACK women- or the non-black women who choose to have realtions with black men- you are dealing with men who have a generational problem with being bad husbands and/or bad fathers. Even when education adn welfare is not the issue ( think Obama) black men -whether African, West Indian,or American- show a serious problem with responsiblity. It is difficult for black women to hold them accountable. Before the 1960's, it was because black women had no other choices in men and black men took FULL advantage of that. Black women have always had MUCH higher rates of "spinsterhood" ( no marriage, no kids) than than any other women in America. People forget that and pretend that -BEFORE WELFARE- black marriage and famililea were just terrific!

After the 60', black men exercised more sexual freedom than anyone else- short of white women. Black men are the MOST likely to engage in interracial sex and marriage. Balck women are the least -except for asian men. Black men have made it impossible to TRULY criticize their behavior- even if you are a black woman! This leaves alot of black women dealing with profoundly "flawed" men - who are rich, poor, educated, uneducated, form single parent homes of 2 parent ( like my dead beat dad). OJ , Bill Cosby, Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Barak Obama and Halle Berry's fathers, most of the men who headed the NAACP.....have cheated on or abused their wives or fathered illegitimate kids. But the problem is older than these men and exists WORSE in Africa and the Carribean.

For the people who will post angry responses to my post I say...this is part of teh reason why black men continue to get worse and make more kids with more women (and GIRLS) of differrent races! There are too many people defending them and too many women- especially black- who think they can win these men's love and loyalty by attacking those who are honest. There's also the "MEN'S MOVEMENT" that thinks men are being blamed for too mauch and women are getting preferential treatment. This may be true with white men and white women, but that is not the case for black men. And NO MAN should defend the incredible rate of irresponsibilty by black men (with black and NON-black women) because he wants to make a point about how MEN are treated. This is a different issue. Black men are NOT being "male bashed".

Bitter? No. Scared? Absolutely!
by Tinkrbl777

Honesty, Jazz, it appears to me that you think it's okay for men to be so selfish and irresponsible. It also appears that you condone that notion. Perhaps I am reading that wrong . . . . Maybe I'm a little perterbed because I only have daughters . . . not sons. If I did have sons, you can be assured that I would very much teach them to protect themselves . . . .just as I am teaching my daughters. Even more so, I am trying to teach them to remain pure . . . but I'm not stupid . . . and I know how hard it can be to say, "No." I pray that my daughters will not allow themselves to be put in a tempting situation. Maybe I'm scared that they are going to meet someone who doesn't respect them, and listening to what you have to say shows me that there are plenty of them out there.

Let's face it . . . . . for YEARS young men have been measured by how many girls they've slept with . . . . the same with young women. The difference is . . . . it's cool for the guys. The girls are just seen as sluts. And now . . . . girls seem to think that's okay. It's just so scary. Don't you think?

Bitter? No. Scare? Absolutely!

Re: Everything falls on the women
by Pogue Mahone

jhatcher:
I see this is because women make poor choices of not using birth control. Meaning once again men need not take any responsibility for how the women becomes pregant, so not only do they not have to make sure they don't become a father by wearing a condom, but then many don't even bother paying support, or seeing the child, I think if more men would step up to the responsibility plate and take a pill or wear a condom for the corner store, there would be less issues all around. Some how in all these articles it is dumped on the women that she should be using birth control, what about the men, why shouldnt' they be using birth control?

Men SHOULD take responsibility in birth control, and in turn women should as well. Also, women ultimately decide who gets sex and when, and women should refuse to have sex with men who will not wear a condom. No matter how good he looks naked. lol

Re: Everything falls on the women
by Wolden
I agree with you on some points...however, as a woman, isn't it our responsibility to say, "not without a condom? I choose not to expose myself to you as a carrier of STDs...." In the end, we choose whether or not it goes further except in the case of rape.....If he isn't smart enough to carry a condom, we better be......If all he wants is sex, he doesn't care if you are protected or not.
your view of girls may be outdated
by jazzguitarman

It is NOT that I believe it is okay for men to be so selfish and irresponsible. It is NOT, but those words are NOT going to change things.

Yes, we can try education and we can also tell fathers to NOT give their boys a high five when they are jerks. The reality is that these steps will NOT likely to produce tangible results.

What will produce tangible results is the empowerment and education of women. Women have to just say 'no condom, no sex'.

I also question that girls are called sluts for being sexual active in this day and age. Only an asshole would apply this double standard.

But they are fools if they don't take control of their own bodies. We need to make it clear to girls that romance isn't worth the danger AND that a good guy wouldn't ask a girl to have unprotected sex with her.

In other words take the geek over the bad boy!

Re: Bitter? No. Scared? Absolutely!
by Wolden

I sat in the courtroom one day listening to the young girls bemoaning their state as a single mother. One didn't even tell the guy she was pregnant until the kid was 8 months old. The judge should have looked at her and forced her to give custody to the father until she could undergo common sense training. Young girls are having sex without being prepared for the consequences. They think that sex equals love equals commitment. Not so.

I tried to teach my boys about birth control and consequences. Unfortuantely, once they are out in the back seat what you said doesn't seem to matter!

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