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Wow
by Paula26

Just. Wow.

I support Obama, but this is a low blow, ladies. As much as as Obama's speech made me realize how much I wanted someone to publicly contextualize and complicate our current dumb-fuck of a "dialogue" on race and gender, I realize that my wish for Clinton to give a similar speech/seminar on gender is going beyond her particular rhetorical abilities.

She has other strengths. She shows them on the campaign trail. Women identify with her, they say, not because she's a victim but because she's tough. Please give them, and her, credit for this, because it's true.

Obama was able to give that speech because he and his staff have a significant amount of faith in his ability to bring out such a harsh and complicated message while softening the blow. HRC needed to find other ways of communicating. And it also could be, alas, that Obama has a truly bizarre amount of faith in American people to appreciate this level of complexity. I sure as heck don't, and so I don't blame anyone else for shying away from doing the same esp. during elections, when "regular" people are assumed to just want the pablum.

Obama won the narrative, I believe, because he's correctly diagnosed the zeitgeist -- a desire to end the perceived deadlock in D.C. He won because he and his campaign have worked hard to embody that desire for change -- it's in the way he emphasizes his life story, works his idiosyncratic bottom-up campaign structure, and consciously turns many of the narratives of the last eight years upside down. He's got a master thesis in the works and he's been providing supporting evidence every step of the way

Clinton's team, alas, read the tea leaves much less well. You can't be both an agent of change and an established political player. Her thesis, as it were, went through too many drafts too late in the game.

Re: Wow
by Sickday

When people identify with 'toughness', there's usually a healthy dose of victimhood mixed in there. After all, who needs a tough leader more than someone who senses that they've been victimized?

You can't uncouple Hillary's toughness with women's sense of suffering -- some real and some imagined.

Howdy....
by Barack-Oblama

I'm JoeBlam from Ballot Box and I'm looking for some background on some folks that posted here....dawg, RS, Rawks, Jen, Funk, etc. They're squatting on our board and we'd like to run them off. Any help would be appreciated. :D

To Sickday
by was321
The media, right wing women and men have attacked Hillary from every angle possible and you have fell to get a response from her. Unlike young girls who react to criticism whether it is deserved or not, Hillary will not allow you to label her. Contrary to popular believe, she also does not see her self as anybodies victim. America needs to understand that the women of this country are going to control their own destiny. They are no longer getting married because of the term 'obey' in the vows. It is sad that in the land of the free, America ranks 17 in the world on women's rights.
Sorry Joe; you are looking in the wrong place
by parthecourse

If any, not many on this Politics board Will have any idea who you are talking about. You see (well maybe you don't) these people are all newbies to the Politic Board.

The only people who can help are now on Ballot Box. And they don't scare off easy. ME thinks you need to rethink your thinking about running them off and Just hunker down and live with it.

Take some good advice from an orginal PBer. When they came over to PB, we didn't like their intrusion but after swallowing hard for awhile we took it like a man and lived with it............righton3

Re: To Sickday
by mithros

Yes, many of them have unfairly attacked Hillary. However, I don't think that's what the author was focusing on. The reason Hillary could never give a "live and let live" speech is that she is just as guilty as her attackers. She has engaged in the same sorts of tripe. She's tried to use the race card as a wedge and the sexism as a hammer.

Re: Howdy....
by dreadpiratefunk

You are teh loser.

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