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So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by HDM
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While I agree that Obama handled the Jeremiah Wright situation masterfully, and that his speech was eloquent, inspirational and reminiscent of the Gettysbury address, I don't agree that with it he has "transcended" race or unified African Americans, Hispanics, women, gays, middle-class whites, immigrants, and so on.

When I look at the substance of the speech, I'm afraid that I see a candidate who is very solicitous of the needs of African-Americans, and as to those other groups? Not so much.

Take, for example, women. There's just one reference to women in his speech. Here's the quote: "But it also means binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man who's been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family."

"The white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling." This is a cliche, first of all. And compared with all the references to the struggles of the black community, this one phrase is pale and bloodless. It sounds canned, rather than lived, like the product of a speech writer's playbook, especially when set against all the richness and liveliness of Obama's discussions of the black community. You can tell right away that one experience has been lived, and dreamed, and mulled over during the entire course of a life, while the other is known only at second hand, and a very distant second hand at that.

Note also how this phrase describes the white woman as being engaged in a struggle that's airy, academic, and theoretical -- a struggle that sounds like a matter of personal dignity and achieving equality in the abstract, merely to achieve an intangible ideal -- while the "white [read middle-class] man" and "immigrant" are dealing with matters of feet-on-the-ground survival (being laid off, and trying to feed a family).

What about the single mom trying to feed her family? What about the single mom who's fired because she can't keep up with married fathers supported 24/7 by the unpaid labor of stay-at-home moms?

And note how our woman is specifically identified as "white," as if black women aren't engaged in the same struggle with gender discrimination.

Then there's Obama's rendition of the history of the black community in America, which includes this step: "A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family, contributed to the erosion of black families – a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened."

This is a highly gendered, highly conservative, highly tendentious view of this history. The problem was ONLY a lack of economic opportunity for MEN? The problem was "the shame and frustration" these MEN felt "from not being able to provide for one's family"? And welfare -- which allowed the women to survive while staying home to raise young children without their father -- may have contributed to the erosion of black families? This not only assumes that it is the "natural" role of men to "provide for their families," it is an extremely sympathetic view of men who abandoned their families, who brought children into this world and failed to take care of them in any way, or even have a relationship with them. Who just disappeared. This is all seen as understandable, because of the "shame" that came from a lack of economic opportunity. As if an inability to provide monetary support bore any logical relationship to a decision to abandon one's children entirely. Has Obama never heard of the phrase "personal responsibility"?

The way Obama turns deadbeat dads into sympathetic victims of racism might seem an example of the worst side of liberalism, but his view that it is only men whose "lack of economic opportunity" and "inability to provide" is extremely conservative. The kind of thing we'd expect from a Clarence Thomas.

To be sure, the topic of the speech was race, and the Wright controversy that prompted the speech made that focus natural and necessary. And the way that Obama handled the sensitive topic -- forthrightly, honestly, and without caving in to political expedient and taking the easy way out by disowning Reverend Wright -- can only be described as a triumph. But if Obama's ultimate point was that his presidency would "transcend" race and the "zero-sum game" of competition among various ethnic, gender and class groups, I don't think he succeeded.

I mean, next week we can expect his speech on discrimination against gays, right? And after that, a speech devoted entirely to discrimination against the working class?


I'm sure some will write off this post as merely divisive, and an effort to push a wedge between those Obama seeks to unite. I'm reminded of Stanley Fish's NYT blog entry of a few weeks ago, "When ‘Identity Politics’ Is Rational" (http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com​/2008/02/17/when-identity-poli​ tics-is-rational/ ), and I really recommend that everyone read and think about that piece. If voters want to elect a candidate who will be particularly sensitive to, and solicitous of, the black community in America, then that's perfectly fine, and I see nothing wrong with it.

But if they think they're electing a candidate who transcends race, I think they should "think again."

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by spiker

This is a highly gendered, highly conservative, highly tendentious view of this history. The problem was ONLY a lack of economic opportunity for MEN? The problem was "the shame and frustration" these MEN felt "from not being able to provide for one's family"? And welfare -- which allowed the women to survive while staying home to raise young children without their father -- may have contributed to the erosion of black families? This not only assumes that it is the "natural" role of men to "provide for their families," it is an extremely sympathetic view of men who abandoned their families, who brought children into this world and failed to take care of them in any way, or even have a relationship with them. Who just disappeared. This is all seen as understandable, because of the "shame" that came from a lack of economic opportunity. As if an inability to provide monetary support bore any logical relationship to a decision to abandon one's children entirely. Has Obama never heard of the phrase "personal responsibility"?

25-50 years ago Obama's argument does make sense. Economic inability does cause problems. A major cause of divorce is money issues. Think blacks should be immune? Would you be? The plain fact is that years ago blacks and women were economically disadvantaged. No as much today.

Given new facts women and minorities should begin to change expectations to be more in line with today's realities. It they don't then they won't be heard.

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by kuruman

It seems reasonable that Obama's discussion of the plight of women feels second hand in comparison to his discussion of blacks...he isn't a woman, but he is black. Smart aren't I?

Black women, I'm sure, have it hard. White women in America, however, are the most coddled creatures on the face of the Earth. There is no reasonable comparison between the lives of modern American Caucasian women and the lives of modern American black men.

If you want to discuss the plight of single moms, and by extension blame "dead beat" dads, then please furnish statistics to back up your claims. My understanding is that when you look at men who have jobs and who actually have access to their kids to the exact degree mandated by court decision, there are virtually no "dead beats". In fact, the percentage of "dead beat" moms is higher in that category.

As always, the truth is much more complicated than the standard feminist position makes out.

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by oicuateonetwo
they never want to hear that females who do not pay court ordered child support, are 10 to 1 of males...god I'm so sick of this shit....feminist=perpetual victim...grow up, and support the babies you do NOT kill....
Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by direwolfc

a long post that strained my admittedly short attention span for reading message boards.

I too was disappointed that he didn't make more of a reference to women and women's rights. In the end I think the speech was more personally about him (a black/bi-racial man), Wright, and the African American community and its relationship to 'white america'. In that context, the topic of sexism is sort of tangential.

p.s. your post is insightful, and deserves a better topic name than one that includes petty mocking name calling.

Two things
by LuxLawyer

That's not a divisive post. It may be a post from someone who doesn't see what other people see in Obama, but that's OK.

But two things:

(1) The big criticism from the Clinton camp is that Obama's not qualified to be President. Yet when his campaign is confronted with a crisis, his response is, in my view, thoughtful and measured, and by your words "masterful." Isn't that a large part of what presidents do? Joe Scarborough can give the guy points for that, but people in Obama's own party can't see that as a "qualification?"

Look, if it's all about the resume, let's all vote for Dick Cheney. As a two term VP, former cabinet official, senior WH staff member, and member of Congress, he not only blows away the resume of any of the current candidates, he'd be among the most qualified presidential candidates in history.

(2) Hillary Clinton, in speeches, debates, and on her own website, has reiterated time and again that her campaign is "historic." She's going to shatter the highest glass ceiling in the land. There's a lot of truth to that. But then let's hear her be "eloquent" and "inspirational" in talking about issues of gender in our society. Instead, Senator Clinton's supporters' choice seems to be to "look, see, he's not perfect." Yeah, no kidding. But how does that make her a better leader?

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by Advn2rgirl

I agree with both parts of the PS, above.

I think, if you were to read Memories of My Father, the book he wrote right after law school, you'd see a really nuanced picture of his grandmother. Toots worked at a bank and eventually became a Vice President but only after twenty-plus years of seeing men she'd trained promoted over her. She was not really an adherent to the women's movement, although his mother was, but she did feel she was being passed by.

Every morning, she was the first one in the door but, because she was "only a secretary," and this was the 50s and 60s, she was not accorded the respect she should have been. He talks about how she worried that, as his grandfather's business began to fail, and her income began to be more and more of the family's budget, her job might be seen to be emasculating to her husband. She spoke with him very candidly, even though he was only a high school kid. They could hear his grandpa in the front room, becoming more and more frustrated as his cold calls in sales produced fewer and fewer results, a la Death of a Salesman.

This wasn't the speech for an extended thesis on feminism and the plight of working women but, if he were to give one, I think you might be pleasantly surprised.

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by einhverfr
1) Ne never claimed to be able to transcend race. In fact he stated the opposite.

2) What he showed is that we can begin to address the last areas of this problem.

What is your real problem with Obama anyway? Personally I thought that Hillary's reaction left a *lot* to be desired.

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by einhverfr
And according to the census, 52% of single moms never file a claim for child support. Most often the reason is that they don't want dad to have visitation rights.

The door swings both directions. Personally, I would like to see *mandatory* child support petitions, but then I am a bit of a father's rights type.

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, right?
by wayhey1

You say you "don't agree" that Obama "transcended race" with the speech? Here's and excerpt:

Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy – particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

So you agree with Obama, then? And why are you complaining that he didn't address you pet issues that had little to do with the topic or the occasion?

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by kuruman

Do you have a link for that stat? It isn't what I was talking about anyway, but it is equally disturbing.
Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by einhverfr
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Interestingly, it also shows that women are only slightly better at paying child support than men.

The relevant tables are 3 and 4.

Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by kuruman

Einhverfr...thanks for the link

It is unfortunate that none of the tables discuss whether visitation agreements are met. Again, it is my understanding that when they are, and the father actually has the ability to pay, he does so more than 90% of the time.

I think it is obvious that visitation rights not being met is a major factor in child support "delinquency". I think not even including this statistic in the report speaks to the general bias of the system.

I also note that paternity was established in only a very small percentage of cases. As you may know, paternity doesn't even matter in California; it only matter who the mother SAYS is the father. I just cannot fathom how we have such an imbalanced and discriminatory system.
Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by kuruman
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Here is a link that furnishes some statistics comparing deadbeat moms and dads. I believe they support my contention.
Re: So the "Unifier's" next speech will address sexism, righ
by einhverfr
Also, if you look at the link I sent, it shows that, while a lower percentage of owed child support is paid by fathers on average, it isn't as big as people would suggest (mothers paying 60% of what is owed on average vs fathers paying 50% of what is owed on average).

This is not as significant a difference as many would have one believe.

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