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Gee wilikers, Daddy Warbucks!

Skeptical3 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:51:55 GMT

Re your:

China out smarted us. Reality t.v. is here to stay.

The price of gas went exactly where they said it would go. So has the stock market. Rush Limbaugh is a big fat liar.

The world is starving, but we’re growing corn to make fuel to drive to jobs that don’t exist any more.

The real esate bubble burst - just like they said it would.

Our prisons are full. Over the top, brimming full. The war on drugs is a joke.

You don't think that Barack Obama can save us?

Boy, that dude sure knew what he

Skeptical3 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:42:08 GMT

was talking about!

You Grew Up

greeneggsnham — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:40:50 GMT

That's all.

There hasn't been anything new, really new, under the sun since before there was a Fray or a Zuko.

You've just finally realized it. But you aren't the Fray. The Fray is the peanut gallery, it's society or at least the part of society that's bothered to sign up for a user name(s). It's something composed of many individuals that is renewed as individuals come and go.

Old hat conversations to you may seem shockingly new to others. That's life, whether on-line or in-person.

New Fraysters rail on about shit you discussed years ago, while Fraysters of a certain FrayAge reminisce about the Golden Years and complain about kids today.

There was only one guy staring back at you from the mirror.

Re: Congrats on the Check.

zuko — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:50:27 GMT

Thanks , but I think it may be at the risk of Jack Dallas having heart failure.

z

Congrats on the Check.

DragonTat2 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:37:28 GMT

And the FrayWatch feature.

Encore!

Re: The Fray Grows Up

zuko — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:31:04 GMT

I'm glad you enjoyed the read.

Not really sure where the Cali real estate comes in, but funny you should mention it. I left California, along time ago, to see the world. I did. A lot of it. In the end, all I found out was that I could sit on Pier 39 in SF, drink a coffee before the tourist's show up and then drive less than 5 hours in any direction and see 8 out of my top ten places on the planet.

I envy that you own a piece of it.

Re: The Fray Grows Up

drugdoc — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:46:45 GMT

One of the best posts I have ever read, thank you, Zuko.

Oh, you do know that garbage incubated with solar produced hydrogen, a bit of heat and a catalytic converter produces oil, don't you ? Be very careful to exclude (most) oxygen.

Most of us already like the nonsense. And if the right and left abandon 'positions' for 'observations' that does everyone good (pretty much your main point, said better than I ever could).

So.... things are pretty good ... bargain real estate in California too.

Dr. Matt

(who, at age 50 is far cuter and runs 5 miles faster than when he was in High School).

Re: I disagree

august — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:28:30 GMT

I don't get the words you are using. You have a scale with "frivolity of motive" on one end and "regard for truth" on the other -- but the two aren't really antonyms. Plenty of frivolous posts are true, and plenty of false posts (meaning -- posts that contain incorect information) are serious. Plus, you can't know motives. You imply a correspondence between style and substance that I don't see. People who act like jerks are often right.

But mainly, I don't think there can be any consensus about whether a given post fits your categories or not. It's very, very common that a strongly worded post will seem to some like a stand for truth and to others like snark. Attempts to make us better will seem to many as dragging us down.

I'm boring even myself. If I were to evaluate your top post, I would say it is one of the few lately that I've really enjoyed. I also think it's mostly wrong. My conclusion: truth does not equal beauty.

Re: As Roy Hobbs once observed, dryly,

Th Paine — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:54:22 GMT

MichaelRyerson:
"My life didn't turn out the way I expected."

Mine neither, but then I didn't expect it would.

Re: The Fray Grows Up

pbev — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:23:05 GMT

But, but, but... everyday is new! I don't mind new wrinkles as long as they're not all on my face.

Great musings even if they are a bit jaded.

Re: The Fray Grows Up

MissHolly — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:43:51 GMT

Does anybody else hear the music to "We didn't start the fire?" as you read this?

No we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it...

It's been burning since the world's been turning...(That line isn't exactly right.)

But yeah, I'm the next generation, and as I round off my early twenties, it is slowly hitting me that the stubborn teenager I once knew who said they could solve the world's problems was wrong.

Re: Huzzah!

Smarmalade — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:10:42 GMT

I wanna help !

Re: The Fray Grows Up

zuko — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:10:33 GMT

I am glad you enjoy them. I am.

Without giving away a secret, I try to write things people enjoy reading. As a cook enjoys a table of faces, or a candle maker basks in the heat and spice of a quiet evening cutting the darkness.

Re: The Fray Grows Up

theNairobiTrio — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:57:47 GMT

Part of the problem here at the Fray, z, is that the "kids" honestly don't have a clue as to how we got here.

For example, here are the lyrics to a very famous song that Frank Sinatra sang at Reagan's second inauguration ceremonies:

http://www.songfacts.com/lyrics.php?findsong=2306

A beautiful American sentiment, right? How could it not be "unAmerican?" It was sung by freakin Frank Sinatra at a Reagan inaugural ceremony.

But here, as Paul Harvey says, is the rest of the story that the "kids" here don't know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_I_Live_In

The blacklisted guy who wrote the music, Earl Robinson, is the same guy I mentioned to watt4bob in my post here:

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/1457605.aspx

It's going to be very difficult to get the "kids" to realize that the pitiful choices they're being offered now are the result of a tremendously successful "BigLie" campaign waged right here in the US from 1918-1980, or whenever the "Wall" came down.

Goebbels himself couldn't have done better, and he had all the overt apparatus of the SS behind him.

Re: The Fray Grows Up

zuko — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:45:37 GMT

No sarcasm here. Let's get busy.