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Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

zook — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:52:57 GMT

ONCE AGAIN, IT ISN'T HATE, IT IS DISTRUST. with good reason.

Hillary Clinton was more than a first lady. SHE WAS A GREAT FIRST LADY, AND SHE IS A WONDERFUL SENATOR, AND SHE DESERVES TO BE OUR LEADER. We are the only country in the free world who has never had a female leader.

By looking at those who have run and won, or are running, the only requirement is they must have a penis.

Hillary Clinton is a bright, well educated, experienced, hard working ALL AMERICAN woman. She has worked for civil rights and women's rights since before she met Bill. She is the poeple's choice.. look at the REAL votes. What a glorious presence she would make in this world as our leader. So far with Obama all we get is CHAOS.

Re: Banana Boat's Pro-Life Claim

Adrasteia — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:54:59 GMT

Unfortunately BandanaBot isn't even original. Orwell beat her to the punch years ago. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Re: Banana Boat's Pro-Life Claim

artandsoul — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:59:08 GMT

Banana Boat - you wrote: "Pro-life is a term that has many different meanings to different people."

Oh really?

How convenient for you to use "Pro-Life" to mean whatever you want it to mean. How utterly thought-provoking and stimulating for you to wield that giant brain of yours into torturous iterations of pseudo-logic.

This and not that.

At conception - two cells = Life as in Pro-Life.

Fully human being who disagrees with you and performs an illegal act = life not worth saving so kill him/her.

Yeah - clear as a bell. I guess you'd like to run the zoo, wouldn't you?

Thank god you don't.

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

Adrasteia — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:59:31 GMT

Bananabrain only posts here to build up her obviously weak and needy ego. She's a fishwife.

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

Adrasteia — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:56:51 GMT

I think you're just a whiny bitch.

I note that you say you dislike Obama, but you don't even know him. You know what you perceive as his failings and that's fine. But you don't say you dislike his policies or his methods, you say you dislike HIM and his wife.

And if it is not?

Trebuchet — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:35:01 GMT

What if Obama is the Tiger Woods of politics and makes everyone enthusiastic again about politics and America in general?

Have you already resolved in your mind that you can't be wrong about this and as a result, when he does become president you will only see failure?

I don't think Obama will need you to win the election - he is running against a dying breed and will have a country that wants to forget about their terrible mistake in 2000.

But America will need you and everyone else to check your cynicism at the door if we are going to have progress in this century.

Are you up to it?

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

choco38 — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:05:32 GMT

Hey! Way too much snark, sexism and nastiness going on here. I also have trouble figuring out why some Clinton supporters are so anti-Obama, but Female-Engineer is certainly no Harriet Christian. Unfortunately, its the Harriets, the Geraldine Ferraros, the Chris Matthews, as well as many who comment on blogs such as this who set the tone and keep the antagonism going. If this is a case where the boss passed over the qualified woman to hire the unqualified man, then I guess that makes us, the voters, the boss. Personally, I voted for Obama over Clinton based on her hawkish war views and his positive campaigning and ability to electrify an audience. I originally thought he needed more experience but he was able to change my mind. Obviously there is sexism out there, but it is silly to claim that as reason for losing when your opponent has racism working against him.

Re: Banana Boat's Pro-Life Claim

pigbodine — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:17:20 GMT

You keep bringing up treason in this argument. It's probably to bait us into showing our ignorance or just a way to disagree with whatever we say.

If you are talking about the more accepted treason, great I would love to see Bush and his cronies tried for treason for all the crimes they have committed to try and turn the Constitution into so much toilet paper.

Or, and I find this especially strange, you are actually in favor of honor crimes. Honor crimes are the death sentences carried out against individuals who have been found guilty of bringing shame upon their husbands, families, villagers. Yes, this is literally meant to cover the murder of the husband by the wife (and not the wife by the husband since she is not the sovoureign of the family). But the interpretation of the law (religious law) has also been read to mean any thing that brings shame. That includes being raped or being in the same room alone with a man not her husband.

Now, of course, you are more than likely going to deny this but your logic will have to become vague. First you will try and argue that your modernity means you do not believe in the sancitity of these honor crimes. But that would also mean that murder must also be defined by modern terms as well and not just the literal definition. But if you accept that, then the death penalty is, by societal mores, considered murder. Well, even by literal terms, the death penalty is also murder since it is causing the delibrate death through pre-meditation.

So while you will argue for modern law on one side you won't accept it on the other and while you accept biblical law, you tend to pick and choose which of those laws you wish to follow.

Of course, I would love to see bush tried for his crimes against the country. But I don't want him executed. There are far more humane ways to deal with him. And being raped, or having a male friend is not even close to treason. but we're talking interpretation.

And anything you say in answer will also be that. Interpretation. Which is subjective.

Woof.

Re: Banana Boat's Pro-Life Claim

bananaboat — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:11:20 GMT

Pro-life is a term that has many different meanings to different people. It can refer to the opposition of euthanasia, human cloning, stem cell research, as well as the death penalty. For me personally I am against abortion, which I consider to be murder. I am in favor of organ cloning because it would save lives. I am against stem cell research if the stem cells are recovered from aborted babies. I believe that using these cells would be benefiting from the murder of others. I believe that we are human the day of conception.

Since these are my beliefs they cannot qualify as bullshit. Just because you disagree with me does not make them bullshit either.

I am pro life in that I am for all life that has value. I believe that if you commit a crime that carries (or should carry) the death penalty (murder, rape, treason) that your life has no value. You have given up your right to live. My beliefs are based on the Halakha, which is the collective body (including biblical law) of the Israelites. As it is now only2 of these crimes carry the death penalty and the state is well within their rights to carry out such punishment. You cannot murder the guilty by executing them for their crime/s. if you check the original Hebrew you will find that the commandment that prohibits us from killing has been mistranslated. In the original Hebrew it prohibits murder, not killing.

I am pro responsibility, which means that we are all responsible for our actions. If you have a child then you are responsible to protect and provide for him or her. If you break the law then you are responsible for that crime and you should be punished accordingly.

My justifications are based on logic, fairness, and justice. I’m not attempting to persuade you. I can write them with a straight face because this is what I believe. You are always welcome to disagree with me.

Thank you,

Cassandra

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

pigbodine — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:06:29 GMT

Woof.

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

zook — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:01:14 GMT

Hillary Clinton was more than a first lady. SHE WAS A GREAT FIRST LADY, AND SHE IS A WONDERFUL SENATOR, AND SHE DESERVES TO BE POUR LEADER. We are the only country in the free world who has never had a female leader.

By looking at those who have run and won, or are running, the only requirement is they must have a penis.

Re: You Need to Simmer Down . .

zook — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:53:58 GMT

I believe the DNC did AMERICA AND AMERICANS a dissservice by manipulating votes etc to make Obama our nominee.

He is not qualified. His wife is not first lady material.

Hillary Clinton was not just a first lady, she was a great first lady. She was low key and made a great difference in our relationship with 80 other countries when visiting them. She has always been a champion for women's rights, children's rights and civil rights. Even before she met Bill she worked hard for the rights of others of all races and gender and nationality. She is a wonderful Senator -read her achievements- they are many. Hillary Clinton is a bright, lovely, well educated, experienced person who would make an outstanding president FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY. Americans first, our country first, and she would work hard for all the people of this country....AND OUR VOTES, IF COUNTED WOULD PROVE WE LOVE HER.

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

zook — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:34:00 GMT

P.S. There is no such thing as a FORMER Clinton Supporter.

Re: Why do the Hillary lovers hate Obama?

zook — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:29:05 GMT

C'mon now, don't act like the HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS are stupid. Everything wrong with Obama is his own doing, and people do not hate him, they distrust him. Look at his choice of friends, and mentors, Rev Wright- an anti white, anti-American close friend and mentor for 20 years; look at Bill Avery, a former weatherman who is a terrorist to our country and a friend , and neighbor and sometime attended the same meetings for simlilar causes as Obama.., REZKO, my God, he is a criminal and fundraiser for Obama and friend for 18 years, as well as AUCHI,the Muslim Iraqi Billionaire who supported Obama's campaign with millions given to his fundraiser. His friend and mentor FRANK , metioned many times in his book, who is a MARXIST POET, and of course his own cousing Raila Odinga who is a brutal Communist leader in Africa who is often in touch with cousin Barack Hussein Obama.

If he is so worried about the HOPES FOR HIS DAUGHTERS, why did he stay with the hateful Rev Wright and let his kids grow up listening to that awful rhetoric? CHANGE..he shouts, but he didn't CHANGE churches.

Re: Banana Boat's Pro-Life Claim

artandsoul — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:25:37 GMT

Cassandra -

you wrote: "I am pro death penalty because if you commit the crime of murder, rape (murder of the spirit), or treason (murder of your responsibility to your country) then you have lost your right to live. Your life no longer has any value and it is the responsibility of the state to take your life from you. If you murder someone, rape someone, or commit treason then you should be executed. Society must hold you responsible for your crime/s."

And you also wrote that nonsense about being "pro responsibility."

I say bullshit, bullshit and bullshit.

Pro life is pro life. Period. Your slippery slope of deciding who "deserves" life is bullshit. BULLSHIT!!!

Life is life.

Conception to natural death.

It is not a natural death if your government kills you. That is more murder. Just adding a little legal construct between the person and his or her murderer.

These slippery slopes are not for the faint of heart.

Your justifications for societal murder are non-persuasive. I am surprised you can write them with a straight face.

It is self-justification and BULLSHIT.

Your friend,

Cindy