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Re: Gender Issue Lives On as Clinton Hopes Dim

LaurieAnnM — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:17:19 GMT

Hey friend..email whenever you get a minute..

Best to you as always.

~LAM

:-)

Re: run is right, 'appearances' & perception ...

LaurieAnnM — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:00:10 GMT

are you just playing games again,NS?

sigh

Re: change of registration

LaurieAnnM — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:32:20 GMT

itspattee:
I called the County Registrar yesterday to change my party affiliation from dem to Indy.

I am sure many others will as well.

Many Democrats changed to Independent while Bill Clinton was in office so there is a history of that...

Damn. I missed this one itspattee. Wonder if you are still around here. Hope so. But it caught my eye because you know I did the same thing around August of 2008. Switched from Democrat to Indy because the entire election season and the mess that was the manner with which Brazil and Dean so front loaded the primaries and caucuses really bothered me.

Hope to check out the Fray Articles here soon and get back around here. Hope you'll be around.Hope Blueshift still is, too.

Re: run is right, 'appearances' & perception ...

LaurieAnnM — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:40:51 GMT

Oh now, why be like that, NS?

Re: Gender Issue Lives On as Clinton Hopes Dim

LaurieAnnM — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:26:10 GMT

blueshift:
Hi LauriAnn,
I'm not too bad, considering how hard it is for everyone these days. We had our first round of layoffs last friday and it was depressing to see people go, particularly because I work at a nonprofit so everyone really cares about there work.
I hope you're doing well and glad you get to see HRC rewarded (recognized? rewarded isn't quite right).
Regards,
Blueshift

Gosh! I am so sorry to hear that,blueshift!
I know everything is being tightened up all over the place!

I'm lucky I work in an field where there is always a demand. But so many places are really under pressure. I just worry about the coming inflation that might well increase as the top richest folks lose their tax breaks and thus have to offfset by raising prices even more.

Let's hope for the best. I know Obama is doing his best top help us dig out of this mess.

Nice always to hear from you.

~LAM

Re: run is right, 'appearances' & perception ...

NightSwimmer — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:27:58 GMT

LaurieAnnM:
NightSwimmer:

Go ahead.

Include Florida and Michigan.

Hillary still lost the election.

But it isn't her fault. It's the misogyny.

Yeah...

That's the ticket!

No, Nightswimmer...Obama will lose in the general because of his lying about being a good guy for hope and change...when who he really is..is a liar who goes to an anti white racist church for twenty years.

They may nominate him..but he won't win in the fall.

I called the County Registrar yesterday to change my party affiliation from dem to Indy.

I am sure many others will as well.

Hate to say I told you so.

No... not really.

I told you so.

Re: Gender Issue Lives On as Clinton Hopes Dim

blueshift — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:01:18 GMT

Hi LauriAnn,

I'm not too bad, considering how hard it is for everyone these days. We had our first round of layoffs last friday and it was depressing to see people go, particularly because I work at a nonprofit so everyone really cares about there work.

I hope you're doing well and glad you get to see HRC rewarded (recognized? rewarded isn't quite right).

Regards,

Blueshift

Re: Gender Issue Lives On as Clinton Hopes Dim

LaurieAnnM — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:58:01 GMT

blueshift:

Thanks Laurie.

You know I was thinking about this last night and realized that I hadn't addressed any questions directly to you. So I appreciate you stepping up and trying to explain your thoughts and side.

I have to say that I hate the conformist label, but I know thats a perception that we've gotten and I think I understand why. Personally, I've never been to a rally of his and never felt the need to.

As for your original post, I think you are right. her run did change the shape of politics to come and she should be proud of that, as should all feminists. Also, she's not going anywhere. As you mentioned in another post this morning, she will most likely have a position of power in the senate for a long time.

Regards,

Blueshift

Hey Blueshift. Just was rummaging through old threads and saw this. We had such a good discussion in here on this issue and looks like we were both right. HRC did get a good position within the Obama Administration. SOS is pretty darn good.:-)

I so enjoyed our conversations and this thread.Hope you're still around. You were nice to chat with.

~LAM

Re: Laurie Ann

LaurieAnnM — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:40:35 GMT

Hi itspattee..I have been working on my posts and profile and favorites file as well as adding pics to FrayMates Photo profile and found this old thread and post of yours, as well, among all that internet housekeeping . Sorry I never got back to you. This was such a lovely and good thread and I throughly enjoyed it as well as the editor's pick it received.

It seems that even now with Palin the gender issue still pervades..howver your point is well taken. Most Hillary voters seem to come back to the fold. For those who have not well it's natural that always some will become renegades for varying reasons and for Hillary voters I beleive those who do not return to the fold it still holds that some of them feel still that her treatment by the media as well as the DNC is a prime factor in their decision. Are they biting off their nose to spite their face in the process so to speak?
Well, if always voting only the party line is what their main goal is I suppose so..but if the issue of gender and how women are treated and dealt with trumps that and has touched a very raw nerve among some women then..perhaps not.

Everyone must choose and be allowed to choose and decide as they will.

Best to you.

Re: Gender Issue Lives On as Clinton Hopes Dim

LaurieAnnM — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:32:30 GMT

Hey just saw this after all this time. You know you make a very excellent point there NS.Whether male or female the edia can affect the election and the candidate. I bet Palin is realizing this now. I hope what has been done to her will not affect her too much from staying in politics (that's just my view),but the media can surely be brutal at times.

Thx Nick and blueshift

LaurieAnnM — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:35:41 GMT

for the replies.

You know I do know I have been ranting on about The Wright thing. It is a genuine concern of mine. But, I am starting to calm down a bit inside about this whole campaign and put it some sort of philosophical perspective now.

I may not really trust or feel sure or good about Obama right now but I do admit to a feeling of pride that it was the Democratic Party that was the first major party to ever nominate a minority candidate for president.

That is historic.

I'm proud that it was the democratic party that can always lay claim to this historic event.

As to so many elements of the Priamry season itself and the things have upset many of Hillary's supporters....it's still is tough to come to terms with.

But, for me, I am beginning to feel very much accepting of it now .And I will just continue to watch and see how the rest of campaign season shapes up.

Thanks for putting up with my concerns and helping me attempt to address them.

It's been a great thread!

Re: An ecxellent post LaurieAnnM

pigbodine — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:20:06 GMT

LaurieAnnM wrote the following post at 05/20/2008 8:28 AM:
Thanks so much,Gatewood. I've enjoyed many of your posts here ,too!

MaryAnne wrote the following post at 06/02/2008 6:02 AM:
I do not know Gatewood from Adam.

Deny him twice more and you win a spot in a painting by da Vinci.

And just in case you try and say the quote is engineered by forces of the DNC, here's the link.

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/1330917.aspx

And here is the post in which the stranger Gatewood asked for the google search

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/1328320.aspx

It's this kind of disingenuous posturing that has come from you and your ilk that has caused many of the Obama supporters on the Fray not to trust a single word or emotion you try to convey here.

Just a thought. Try not to lie on record when you're judging someone else's honesty and character.

Re: run is right, 'appearances' & perception ...

blueshift — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:19:53 GMT

Hi Laurie,

Thank you, I really appreciate it.

I'm not sure if you saw, but I disappeared from that other thread because I was on vacation :).

For what its worth, I think your candidate still has a long and successful career ahead (I've been thinking about her as a permanent power broker in the Senate, but governor of NY could open up for her too).

As far as Wright and your vote in the fall, we disagree a little still. I see him as a good but flawed human being. Turning away from the good the man represented in Obama's life and the good the church does in the neighborhood because of those flaws would be contrary to Obama's desire to move past the worst aspects of our country and on to the best. Anyway, I have faith in sense of decency and fairness and trust the decisions that you will make.

I'd really like to see that top post you mentioned to Nick.

Regards,

Blueshift

Re: Gender

NickD — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:34:18 GMT

Thank you for that. And it is an angle of the same point. Part of another angle of the same point is that so very many supporters of Senator Clinton wanted so very many people in America to vote for their favorite candidate based on the fact that she shared their same gender and if they did not they were then some type of a traitor to their own gender. This angle I found very discouraging with regards to our social structure today. This is also the angle that many found not only discouraging but very demeaning to all of society regardless of ones gender.

Laurie, also many of the New York senators supporters also tried to use the club of sexist allegations against almost anyone who dared say anything negative about their favorite candidate. When those charges and worse were leveled towards many of us we responded negatively. Were those negative responses always metered fairly? No . And that was wrong. However it does not absolve the many times gender was used as a prop for the New York Senator.

That was the main gist of my original reply. Hopefully you can still find some agreement there.

Re: run is right, 'appearances' & perception ...

LaurieAnnM — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:39:24 GMT

Hi Blueshift!

Congratulations first of all on your candidate's win. I am happy for you. Really.

But for me, I guess it's that because Obama made such a big deal about Wright being such a mentoring like inspiration to him, even going so far to even say Wright was the man in large part, who inspired Obama's own book.... So that when Wright's real nature and the style of his preachings were revealed I just found it alarming and unbelievable that Obama had no clue about it.

It's still a great concern to me on so many levels.

But I do know his supporters all so want to believe only the best of him.

I understand that.

Again congrats to you,

;-)