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Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

shematwater — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:05:28 GMT

I could not even stumach finishing this post of yours. It is filled will misunderstanding and complete falsehood about the church. Mixed with this is a hostility towards anyone who would disagree with your opinion (which is exactly what is is, and nothing more).

While I agree that using simpathy is a low move, that is not the intention of most people who mention the persecutio of the church (which was in no way justified by the law of this country). I have only seen it brought into the discussion when we are accused of being violent (which cannot be truly substanstiated). It is a simple comparrison. We were violently, and unjustly, expelled from three different states where we legally purchased land. Dispite this fact people harp on the romours of violence in the church, or those acts of violence which were condemned by the church.

From the amount I read of your post you are not interested in a serious discussion of anything dealing with the LDS church, regardless of any proof that can be offered. You hae your opinions, and instead of proving them, or even attempting to, you simply tell everyone that they might as well not try to have a civilized discussion, as you refuse to listen. I know few people who would wish to enter any conversation with one of this attitude.

Having said this, I end my post hoping we can all get along in a nation that allows us to believe any doctrine, no matter how silly or strange. Thank you.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

Carl Rizor — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:17:50 GMT

The real problem you have is an individuals RIGHT, to worship as they want. It is not about SECRET Oaths. What are you really afraid of if you don't believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon?

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

cb451 — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:05:19 GMT

Practicing Mormon here. Most of us end up practicing our oaths in fairly innocuous ways. Time: 1.5 - 2 years of a mission, plus time spent in our various church callings (assignments like teaching, cub scouts, etc.), plus regular church attendance. Talents: if we are good at something, we use it to help others. Anything else: we pay 10% of our income as tithing, plus parents often fund the missions of their children. We also believe in having as many children as we can, and bringing them up in the faith. That about does it. We are supposed to try and bring others into our faith, but most of us avoid it for reasons that are obvious to anyone who reads this thread. To be honest, most of worry that we don't do enough to really qualify for heavenly rewards.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

spiker — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:29:07 GMT

Not an ounce of hate dude.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

spiker — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:28:25 GMT

friedel,

I asked an almost Zionist American-Jewish friend of mine during a discussion about the million Israelis vs Americans and saving them. He admited he would choose to save the Israelis for what I would have to admit are a bunch of really rational good reasons but not in MY best interest.

This guy was smart enough to grow up and be president one day.

I feel like a McCarthyite, all dirty, but since he admited that I've felt kind of disturbed about the whole Middle-East thing and about highly tight-knitted communities such as the Mormons. Fair, unfair, whatever. It is what it is.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

friedel — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:56:38 GMT

You sure sound like a good follower of Christ

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

friedel — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:51:32 GMT

What a stupid,pathetic question.

Re: Humanity second? Disqualify them all!

spiker — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:04:29 GMT

If people didn't disagree about religion do you know what they would fight about? Natural resources- with absolutely no ethos about it.

You can take the chimp out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out the of chimp.

Re: Humanity second? Disqualify them all!

duff_21 — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:52:42 GMT

Wouldn't it be great if there were NO religions at all, and everyone just got along? One can easily see the frictions between religious beliefs by just reading the various posts on this mormon debate. Religion is supposed to be a uniter but, in reality it is the great divider. Anyone with an I.Q. > 50 is not going to take any of this crap seriously! I don't want to see religion play any part in the world of government. It does not belong there any more than it does in open discussion which never solves a thing. I think a good and honest "Atheist" would be the best selection for a president. Religion truly is "The Opiate of The Masses"!!!

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

spiker — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:46:59 GMT

I'm not too far off the mark, Russ.

This guy was smart enough to grow up and be president one day.

I feel like a McCarthyite, all dirty, but since he admited that I've felt kind of disturbed about the whole Middle-East thing and about highly tight-knitted communities such as Mormons.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

spiker — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:39:51 GMT

I suppose the emhasis is on simple.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

simple truth — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:41:18 GMT

Not even close.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

simple truth — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:46:57 GMT

That is an easy decision for anyone that has any basis of right and wrong. Regardless of religious affilliation, using half a brain one would simply protect the moral majority ( and there isn't much good going on in sin city). Despite your illogical hypothetical situation, our defence capabilities would not allow that flying bomb to cross the nearest ocean.

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

friedel — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:13:04 GMT

You poor thing!

Re: The Mormon Issue No One Will Address

chumdo — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:35:27 GMT

There is no conflict of interest between the constitution and the doctrine of the LDS church. To make an oath to support and build the kingdom (the LDS church) does not disqualify one from doing the same for the United States. Some speak as if the two are diametrically opposed. This is not the case.

Mormons hold the constitution to be inspired of God. We, as citizens, believe in the principles it outlines and are bound by the truths therein. There would not be any direction or revelation, from leaders of the church, contrary to the Constitution of the US.

As stated in an article of faith:

"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

Perhaps, one could relate it to the relationship between loyalty to the LDS church and loyalty to family. They are not opposed to each other. Though, one's first duty be to the church, such devotion only strengthens the family and encourages loyalty to it.

The gospel will not require disloyalty to our nation; nor will the US Constitution require abandonment of our devotion to the church.