Faith-Based

so he doesn't change his mind as you said?

warden — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:51:34 GMT

make up your mind. Just going by this post I take it you believe that might have something different in mind for say, the Hindus. They approach God in a very different way. One reason for this, I believe, is that God cannot be known fully, so different people approach him differently.

That part I agree with.

again wrong on so many counts

warden — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:49:03 GMT

Paul never met Jesus and none of the books were actually written by disciples who did. This is historical fact.

As for political motivations, I didn't say the authors were political minded, though it could be argued that Paul was. I said the people who compiled the books were. That is also a simple historical fact.

What is funny is you can't see how you argue against yourself. You claim on the one hand God is limited and imperfect, they claim exactly the opposite. You claim that there is only one way to find a relationship with God, then claim that different people should approach God differently.

And lastly, you are so filled with hate and rage and fear it is unimaginable that you could actually develope any sort of relationship with God, under those circumstances.

No, it seems clear that you are one of those who hide behind a dogma because you are incapable of developing such a relationship. It makes you feel superior because in fact you feel deeply inferior, again as is evidence by your racist rants.

I feel sorry for you.

Re: so you aren't a christian? Ok.

predicto — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:20:57 GMT

"I say this because it is clear from the teachings of Christ that no amount of hate is appropriate

=== Hate Evil, Love good. Hate even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." ===

and yet you insist otherwise.

=== There is a time and a season for everything. Even for God Himself. "Jacob I loved. Essau, I hated." ===

As for the rest we are just going round and round.

=== Yes, my siblings and I used to call it the one armed dance. Don't you ever get tired of getting your ass beaten? ===

The books were compiled by men with a political agenda.

=== Luke ran with the pack. Paul was contemporary and also dealt dirtly with Christ. Peter wrote his own letters as did the author of James. None of these people ever aspired to political office. ===

Even older books were rejected if they did not fit that agenda.

=== Rejected as inspired text. Remember the five tests they applied to manuscripts they considered. We've been through this before. Number one was: Must not contradict Inspired Text. You want to call that, didn't fit an agenda, but remember, they are only certifying history, here, as well as doctrine common to those called "Christians". Christians were not political in that day. ===

None of the books were actually written by anyone who was actually there.

=== Paul, Peter, Luke, Timothy, Titus, James, John the Revelator/Apostle.

This isn't revisionist history, it is actual history.

=== Not the babble you blather. You are talking pure excrement from the gob hole of ignorance. ===

The difference here is, I put my faith in a higher power,

=== Yeah, your own terribly feeble intellect and emotions, no less. ===

you put your faith in a book written by men.

=== "... as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit of Christ." Add that and I will agree with that one statment in isolation. ===

You limit God to some anthropomorphic being that you think you can understand and who is, at best imperfect.

=== There many aspects of God that it is given men in general to understand, and some of us are blessed with more complete learning than others. Now there are many things we don't understand about God, which would stand to reason. After all we can't even fully understand women and they are right there in front of us all day, every day. ===

I offer no such limitation.

=== Because you don' know shit from shinola, but you want to be considered smart.

Re: but you said he was consistant. Now you limit God to human

predicto — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:57:36 GMT

Good for you. I "limit" God only by what I know of Him and that is only what He reveals of Himself to me and enables me to process at whatever level he enables it. God obviously values the processes of things. Made in His image and living in an environment provided by Him, we find ourselves doing the same thing. When the product is sufficiently smoothed, one puts away the sand paper for it has served its purpose. God may want a certain thing for a Jew as His Promised People that He wouldn't require of a gentile. For instance, you will hold your loved ones to a higher standard of decorum than you would a stranger. Their slights and small betrayals will seem much more painful than those coming from persons you have no intimacy with.

so you aren't a christian? Ok.

warden — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:44:41 GMT

I say this because it is clear from the teachings of Christ that no amount of hate is appropriate and yet you insist otherwise.

As for the rest we are just going round and round. The books were compiled by men with a political agenda. Even older books were rejected if they did not fit that agenda. None of the books were actually written by anyone who was actually there. This isn't revisionist history, it is actual history.

The difference here is, I put my faith in a higher power, you put your faith in a book written by men. You limit God to some anthropomorphic being that you think you can understand and who is, at best imperfect. I offer no such limitation

but you said he was consistant. Now you limit God to human

warden — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:14:13 GMT

qualities. If God is all knowing, then, no he would not change his mind, if he is perfect then there is never a need to "change his mind". But again, you limit God to that which you can understand. I put no such limitations.

Re: again, you are wrong

predicto — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:58:03 GMT

A personal God would change His mind once in a while, wouldn't He. It is the humility of merciful God that makes another living being in His image, that is to look upon his Creator as "Daddy". This more reveals the lovingkindness nature that is predominate in The Father, and further evidence of his personhood. God has a Holy Personality. He is perfect. We are lesser and imperfect, contaminated by our father's sin when born. He choses us out of those separated from Him for fellowship. The acid test is the Gospel. Those who respond positively to the Gospel are His Elect, those chosen from before the Big Bang.

You got it bass ackward, as Satan would have you have it: Safely shivvering in the darkness in terror of The Light.

again, you are wrong

warden — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:37:09 GMT

Moses did not get a glimpse of the face of God, what he saw was the hindmost parts of God.

I do agree that we see as much of God as we were created to see. However since we were created to be different individuals clearly we were created to see different aspects of God. You make my case for me.

Also, clearly the Bible does show a difference in the instructions of God from OT to NT, anyone who has read it can tell you that.

As for Him being personal, no, that is is simply your attempt to minimize God, as I mentioned before. It is the arrogance of humanity that requires us to see an infinite being in human terms.

Re: And yet the Bible says that you cannot see the face of God

predicto — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:38:00 GMT

He is truly everywhere, but not necessarily a part of things. He sustains all things by His Spirit. We can know as much about God as God created us to know, which is quite a bit:

That He is personal; spiritual; like us, Triune of three persons Father, Son and Holy Spirit comparing to our Body, Soul and Spirit. That He is Almighty, All Knowing and Present Everywhere.

However, we will not perfectly understand Him until we see Him face to face. We know Him by instinct now, so when we see Him in eternity, we will not have to be told Who He is. We know His face in that without seeing it, we know whether He has set His countenance against us or for us. We know His face veiled. When it says we cannot see His face, it means we cannot see it unveiled. Moses got a peek and it turned him white and glowing.

The Book shows no changing character of God. Each dispensation of Grace which you classify as God "Evolving" or "Growing" is God instituting processes and parameters of operation into the economy of Grace as part of His Plan that has been in place unaltered from before the foundation of the Universe. Before the Big Bang. The apparent process is for man's benefit, and God's glory. You see, in the Beginning was the Logos, Word, Logic....if you will. In this we are like God. For us it is an adventure requiring process in order to introduce us to facts that we will accept as conclusions. For us it is knowing and learning, bulding with sequence, relational. For Him it is foregone, instantaneous and tremendously logical. So logical as to be more beautiful than the subjective could ever hope to be, spawning emotions too intricate, delicate and overwhelming to describe that produces unadulterated joy.

The lesson is so simple. Want a sneak preview? Here it is:

"God's way is always the best way."

There won't be one man on earth that isn't fully convinced of that once God gives His Elect His level of understanding. You know that's in store for us, don't you? The elect, that is, whosoever will call upon the name of The Lord.

Re: some of that is actually laughable.

predicto — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:12:14 GMT

Oh, I failed to recognise the other of your shining talents: Complimenting your easy skill with pinko agitprop platitudes is your ability to parrot revisionist history. Uncanny. Your understanding of ancient documents and how the Bible was assembled and certified is fatally defective, yet you think nothing of flinging wild-assed accusations around that have no grounding in any reality but of those delusionals who taught you "Polly Want a Cracker" in order to exploit your egoistic ignorance in the market place.

An appropriate amount of hate and fear is a healthy reaction to one's environment. You, too have well displayed hates, and your fears are far less in control than mine. You hate yourself. You hate America. You hate God, little unborn children and you hate women. You love chaos and bullies. You are a psychophant, a perfect foil for the Stalin's of the world. You are an enthusiastic fool, a grateful dupe, a glorious goofball. You are a pinko. You are The Useful Idiot, The Moron for Mao. Fellow Travellor, Liberal, all these things describe the vile, loathesome, putrid slime hedonist brigand scum that defiles everything good, pure, holy, wholesome and bright. I have the good sense to hate sworn and proven enemies, and I have the good sense to rightly fear them. I hate evil and fear God. For liberals to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing. You hate your very Creator and the Land He blessed you with. You hate your brothers. You loathe yourself above every other thing otherwise you could not be so selfish as to be a liberal.

As for your flipant offhand observations about the supposed contradictions of the Bible: The Bible also says there is a season, time and a place for everything under the sun. Who are you to tell God when to forbid certain things and to whom He shall forbid them? You are a God hater. Yet you hate yourself even more because you elevate yourself above God. This is why you frantically contrive to stay dead, to stay out of that terrible light and in the comforting darkness of self-loathing and knife-edged, cold ignorance which you mistake for the bread from heaven.

As for the Canon of New Testament Scripture. Every book of the Bible had been written in its time as an account or letter. It had been circulating individually as parts of lesser collections of inspired works for 250 years or more amongst churches. One more standard was applied to Divine Text. A newer manuscript could not contradict already inspired text. The Old Testament had been identified and declared by the Jews to have Closed in 64 AD. They, too rejected the Apocrypha as not insp[ired. Not that it wasn't true, in many ways, but that it didn't meet their standard of inspired, either. The Christians agreed, taking in the Old Testament so certified and adding it to the Inspired New Testament Manuscripts.

These Canonical Counsels did not make any statement on the historicity of uninspired documentation, only on its inspired nature which is the only consideration to be taken in determining one's faith and practice and considering Holy Writ.

Later on, Eccleistica was elevated to the point where it could contradict Inspired Text quite directly and did and still does in the Catholic churches, the cults and in many falling Protestant sects like Episcopalians.

Some still cling to the Rock of Christ by embracing those 16th century reconstitutions of the early Christian Faith in giving Scripture Divine Authority. I invite you to find the Apostle Paul's approval of the Berians in that they tested every teaching by Scripture, and go on where he admonishes believers to do the same and listen to not even an angel of light if he contradicts the Scripture for there is no shadow of changing with the Lord.

The way I know that this exists is the way the Bible gives you to know. You can know the same thing by reading your Bible. There is power in Jesus' Name and there is Power in the Scripture. You can see it work if you can find your way clear to address the God you don't believe in just in case He does exist and ask Him to show you. Real complicated, huh.

You know Him because He so well fits that God shaped hole in your soul that your are so at a loss to fill.

And on Sundays... it is sooooo good! Every Sunday you can go to your church and sing praises to God with a whole bunch of others who call you brother in the name of the Lord and the Spirit of Peace and Joy ministers to The Body.

some of that is actually laughable.

warden — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:22:09 GMT

Let's start with the last first. Yes, hate filled. It is clear from some of your racist posts that you live in hate and fear. There is really no other explaination for your mindless hatred of people different from yourself.

OT NT differences, ok, don't eat pork, it's ok to eat pork. Love your enemy, turn the other cheek, an eye for an eye.

As for the Bible, that's really the funny part. You claim that a book compiled after Constantine is proof of what everyone believed before Constantine. You claim the only texts that were included were "inspired" and yet you have no way to know this, other than they said so.

Again, sorry to burst your bubble but I gave you the facts. If you cannot handle them, I suspect that simply shows how shallow your faith actually is.

And yet the Bible says that you cannot see the face of God

warden — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:15:26 GMT

If God is all things, if he is truly everywhere and part of everything it is impossible for someone to truly know Him, without being Him. Our minds are simply not built that way. What we see are the aspects that we are capable of seeing. That is, when it isn't simply our own made up dilusions. Others would likely see other aspects, their brains would interpret it differently.

As for the part about the BIble, again, it was a book written by men, in many cases I believe inspired men, but men, nontheless. But that book itself shows a changing character to God. Eye for an eye, turn the other cheek. Never work on the Sabbath, (a law Jesus himself broke), kill them down to the last beast and child, love your enemy. So on and so on.

Re: Be an Angel, will you Dd

predicto — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:06:03 GMT

Looks like I've lost pretty much my entire membership of Captain Greybeard.

Sorry, I have no record of Dayspring or Nanotech. Didn't Slate used to have a "contact this author" button?

Re: Be an Angel, will you Dd

white light — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:04:02 GMT

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Re: and likely always will rule. Render unto Ceasar and all.

predicto — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:49:29 GMT

Why do you insist God is Two faced? He never changes. He never Lies. He gave us His Word, in the Flesh, in the Spirit and written on parchment. It is all totally consistent, more consistent that a man could contrive. If you know the plain Truths put forth in the Boible, then you know God. The more of the Truths of the Bible you know, the more you know of God's unchanging character, and therefore that's how well you know Go.

To know God intimately because of a combination of study & meditation on His Word, close fellowship in prayer and public worship is notonly possible, it is required. The more you know of God, the more you obey God, the more you know God.

Only the regenerate can see the face of God, but everyone knows the fce of God, for e sets His countenance for us or against us. God is not neutral. He probably hates lukewarmness more than cold.