I find it intersting that many of the old school feminists here on the Fray seem to relish talking about how "well, when you're rich like these spoiled pansy XX writers, you may not have to worry about success, but as for the rest of us . . . "

Isn't this a excellent example of how feminism has succeeded? Mysogyny is NOT such a huge problem that women are left unable to advance.

The bigger problem is definately class based. A poor woman is screwed in life, not because she's a woman, but because she's poor. And bitching about the evil patriarchy will not fix it! Telling me how "ungrateful" I am because I don't bow down and worship Stienem and the rest of the hags is not going to win me over.

Note: I have never, NEVER, been discriminated against because I'm a woman. Even when I was in engineering classes outnumber 15-1. I have never heard that I couldn't do something because I was a woman. (except when Dad explained that girls couldn't go topless in the summer. I was 7.)