Do you realize how self referential this is? No one especially the participants in a process understand it as well as you? You presumably participate in American society. Why doesn't that similarily disqualify you as an objective commentator?

Response: I'm outside of Washington and outside of power. You claim to be inside of it. I claim that I see things that you can't see as a result. Powerful organizations exert power effects on the perceptions of their members... powerful societies have the same effect, but it is possible to stand outside if you make a real intellectual effort. I'm sure you could make the same effort I have made.

You are trying to have it both ways. Germany was a purely Facist state. Either industrialist controlled it or they didn't. And in fact they clearly didn't. This is wholly contrary to your attempt to define a US Facism.

Response: See my response further below to another person. The image of corporations "giving orders" or industrialists giving orders is too simple a model of how control is exerted.... Control is exerted through ideology, through the media, through the revolving door of post government employment, through the funding of elections, and through the shared perspectives of corporate leadership and political leadership as is so obvious in the case of Bush.

You're not responding directly to the point. Among other things, the Roosevelt prgrams involved a large number of men organized into regimental and millitary like corps. I know of no "social democracy" that is so organized.

Midcentury experiments in democratically controlled government run economic activity included such approaches as you describe, emergency measures in fact to cope with the depredations induced by a purely capitalist economy and banking system that was not structured to deal with depression. That kind of emergency measure was hardly fascist, or even militarist. I understand your point... it is Goldberg's point too... superficial similarities are noted to equate very different approaches to economic and political organization. Upper class scion Roosevelt moved the U.S. in an antifascist direction both internationally and at home.