I don't know why you continue to act so clueless. First you say 'you guys' and I'm NOT a conservative or member of the GOP. You should know that by now! Second I never called the president a liar. I don't care about that childish part of the Wilson outburst. All I said was that his outburst (which I said was wrong), did result in changes to the bill with regards to illegal immigrants. I listed one such change which is that if there is a public option illegals will NOT be able to buy into the plan. Another change is that anti-fraud provisions were added.

To me it is you that is trying to be dishonest by using the term 'meaningful'. As in; OK there were changes but they were not really meaningfull. Like a lot of the cons here all you care about is winning and proving you are in the right.

Like most voters I'm just glad illegal immigrants got shut out!