Now we are getting somewhere. You admit that your objection to government health insurance is theoretically no different than objecting to everything that the government does but that you just don't want them to do what "could be left up to the free market". So are you claiming that the free market has demonstrated the capability of of providing health care for everyone? Where is you example? What country in the world has a functioning free market health care system devoid of government involvement?

The irony is that we have no "crisis" in life insurance, auto insurance, homeowners insurance, disability insurance, renter's insurance, PMI insurance, or any other form of insurance except health insurance. And health insurance is the one type of insurance that the government is currently heavily involved with. And your solution is to get the government even more involved? It would seem to me that we should be looking to the insurance models that are currently working for our solutions.

There are two issues. First I want at minimum to contribute to my own insurance through a government option prior to age 65 because the "free market" has demonstrated that it will rip me off and you are just telling me I can't not paying for me.

There has not been a free market in health insurance in my lifetime and longer. Not since the Nixon administration, actually.

Probably we both pay more in taxes than we have received in return to date

"The people should support the government; the government should not support the people."