stance of some kind? AND a close call, in a manner of speaking, i.e., there's at least a colorable basis to hold the contrary position. You can sorta see why GOPers like me find Dick Cheney persuasive even today?

Ethical/normative, because we can't invert, even for the sake of a thought experiment, certain categories of basic beliefs---like one of my own that two plus two equals four. Can we? And "close call", in that we can't really pretend to adopt a view sanctioning wanton rape and murder. Can I?

I guess I'll start by holding my nose and really giving non-Creation Science a new look.....