I've deleted this twice to rewrite it but I'm sure I won't make much sense, but here goes. Tempo, what have you done for this board lately? (keeping a this dumb feud alive doesn't count) If you want to prove your claims; they're elitist snobs, they're "ALL" whiners, blah blah, then I think the best way to do that is to let them prove it all on their own. IOW, stop pointing them out...because pointing to them all the time makes you seem like exactly what you're accusing them of being. I'm starting to think you hold botf in contempt...if you had more faith in this board then you'd let the board exist as it is without perpetuating this pointlessness; you'd let the board exist as it is and step out of the way. Maybe that's the problem. What I think is that deep down even you know what we are. In my not at all humble opinion, now all you're really doing is diverting attention away from this fact by playing the heroin in a made believe world in from of a select few people on botf; yourself, LAM, Gatewood, etc.