Ok, mikehihn. The article was about Kristol and the way Conservatism has developed from the 60s onward. I should not have brought up WWII. Obviously FDR doesn't really fit into a modern liberal paradigm any more than Eisenhower fits neatly into a modern conservative one. And even after that I recognize that people don't fit into their slots so neatly: Nixon was in many ways more liberal than Clinton, for example. There's a reason we're talking about Conservatives and Liberals, not Republicans and Democrats. The Conservative things that Carter and Clinton did (and that Obama is doing) irritate me, and there are things that Nixon and the first Bush did that I admire. I fully concur with you about FDR's war crimes, I agree that what Jane Fonda did was stupid, and it's obvious that politicians on both sides of the aisle are equally guilty of letting the economy fail while looking out only for their own interests -- in other words, they were guilty of acting within the tenets of Conservatism. I stand by my argument.