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Re: Bad Science and Anomalies versus Trends…
by Demosthenes2

OK, BA—look, I dig ya and all, but c’mon will ya? If you want to be taken seriously on this subject than doing precisely what you accuse global warming enthusiast of (extrapolating poorly from one datum) doesn’t help your cause or your credibility.

First, one freeze doesn’t mean that long term patterns aren’t other than the spike. All trends on a graph have variations from the mean, that doesn’t mean a trend isn’t evident of meaningful.

Secondly, I see you frequently acknowledging that warming is a trend but that we don’t know the precise causes or if it’s part of a natural and ongoing cycle rather than human induced, so I suspect not even you believe this assertion.

Thirdly, I see you fall into the common trap of blaming this on the sun and solar cycles—that’s really crappy science. If that were true you’d find several trends that simply don’t exist. Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Triton and Pluto are frequently cited but the problem is that the trends are a) all very subtle on earth and carying elsewhere arguing against a solar effect b) ignores the fact that Earth draws most of its heat from the sun with its atmosphere and would be disproportionately effected were this the case c) leaves out all of the other solar bodies (Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Uranus and a host of moons other than Triton) and d) that it turns out the evidence for the first mentioned planets is pretty lousy and probably false and fails to account for minor things like precession, canting and perihelion.

In short, the solar evidence is inconclusive and spotty, but here’s what we do know:

Earth is one of the bodies getting warmer and we’re dumping more crap into its atmosphere. That’s OK to some extent, but the reality is some of the warming is our fault, the question is how much? There are political consequences to that fact and the answer to that question and a good deal of what people say on the subject is hooey and agenda driven.

I have no problem with you pointing that out, but I do have a problem with you adopting the same screeching logic and similarly twisting selective datum to support a non-thesis when the warming trend is a fact and the only real questions are what percentage of it is man made (might be a small amount might be a lot) and what ought to be done about that.

The ice age was natural too, but that doesn’t mean another would be a good thing or that we shouldn’t be alarmed if one looked like a trend—and using one freeze as a counter evidence is just unforgivably (and deliberately) bad science.
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