"So what you are saying is that your perception of good and bad is purely based on us and them."

Exactly! Hasn't it always been us versus them, really. Rome vs. Carthage. Persia vs Greece. Japan vs China. Rome vs the Huns. Israel vs. Palastine. Earth vs Mars. It is always us versus them.

"You are falling prey to the right wing black and whiteworld where our enemies are incapable of doing anything right and we cannot fail."

I'm not saying that at all. I could turn it around and say that you are doing the same thing, "the US and its allies can do nothing right and will always fail" Still black and white but left wing black and white. My poiunt is that there rarely is black and white, good and evil but when it comes to human conflict everyone picks a side and that always is black and white. Our conversation here proves that.

Don't you see the problem with this? Do you think Germany thought there was anything wrong with their position in 1940? How are we to resolve any conflict with this childish position? Haven't we moved past that?"

Sure, that is my point too. There is a huge problem with this but that is the way it is. Was Japan's position much worse than ours in the 1930s? We both wanted power over the Pacific. The killed many in China in other places, we firebombed Tokyo relentlessly and dropped two nukes. We were bad, they were worse.

"Are you suggesting that Russians set this up and had Russian secret agents kill Russian peace keepers? It's possible sure, just like it is possible our own government carried out 911, but what evidence do you have?"

Well, I have no evidence of course but it has president ie. Sudetenland and you would have to admit it is much more feasible (not to mention much more practical) than staging 911.

So in essence what you are admitting, is that you don't care what the facts are and that you are not interested in learning from our mistakes.

Hardly! I am always interested in learning from our mistakes. The facts that I am looking at is that Georgia has help us in Iraq where as Russia has done just the opposite. Russia is obviously trying to expand ther power in the region and Georgia (and Ukraine) would be good allies to have up against their border a la West Germany. Georgia is not going to challenge the US as a superpower, Russia has and will. As in WWII, USSR was dangerous but Germany was more dangerous therefore USSR was an ally based on a common enemy and their geographic location, it mattered not that they were also nasty guys. Would you argue that our alliance with Stalin was a mistake? Our allies do not need to be Saints, it is better that they share common goals, enemies and are loyal.