I always wonder if Pugs like you actually think that vague hooey like this even approaches an actual definition of victory...

Victory in iraq is a self-sustaining government and a nation capable of holding it's own on the world stage with security and prosperity for it's people.

checkm8r:

...the surege is giving them an opportunity to succeed.

Here's hoping they take advantage of it.

Victory in iraq is a self-sustaining government and a nation capable of holding it's own on the world stage with security and prosperity for it's people.

None of which happen overnight.