and have the UAW guys put up with the same terrible care that the indigent have to experience. Limited drugs, long waits to see doctors, difficulty in getting specialty care. Then we'll see who have the gold plate insurance and who is getting the shaft.

But, oh, I forgot, if we screw the insurance companies, then the 40 million people who aren't covered by insurance will we able to get that gold plated insurance. The insurance I buy, not generous by any means and in a low cost state, costs me 5 grand a year per person in my family. So call it 200 billion a year to cover people. Find that in the profit margins of the health care insurers.

Every industrialized country in the world has better care, and cheaper? Talk to somebody from the UK who has to use the National Health Service. Or someone from Canada, who needs an MRI. Or a Swedish man with prostate cancer (highest death rate from prostate ca in the developed world, because they don't treat it. Bad way to die, by the way, very painful).