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Re: Really who is to know what the truth is
by shematwater

Say...WHAT????? Exactly where are you getting THIS from?? You say, "I believe that in 1 Peter it states..." Come on, are you THAT vague on the scriptures? Do you really know WHAT you believe?? So...let's baptize 'em all at eight years old! Yeah, that sounds good. Or how about...let's do it when they're tiny babies, like the Catholics do?? So they won't die and "burn in hell forever".

Okay, Hell is much more complicated than you suggest, but we will not get into that. I said I think because I did not have my scriptures on me at the time, so I was not sure I had the reference right.

As to my beliefs. I believe that if a person dies before they reach the age of accountability they are saved through the atonement regaurdless of what they did. (1 John 2:12) I believe that if you die after you have reached the age of accountability, without being baptized for a remission of sins, you will have to endure the punishment for those sins. Now, I believe the age of accountability to be eight years. I based this on many things, but the one verse in the Bible that says it is 1 Peter 3: 20-21. In these verses is stated "Which sometime were disobediant, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us." So, the age of accountability is the same as the number of people on the arc, or 8. John tells us children are saved, so it cannot be days, but must be years.

So, that's ONE ridiculous statement you made, showing you don't know what the bible teaches. The truth is that, in the early days of Christianity (before apostasy set it), people (adults) took in knowledge of the truth, and were baptized when they had sufficient knowledge to believe they were ready for it. No required "age" was EVER given, but there are actually NO accounts of children being baptized.

Considering there are few records of the first few hundred years of Christianity I am not surprised. I also agree that until a person is ready they should not be baptised, but an eight year old can be ready, and should be instructed to help them be so.

Once again, you show your complete ignorance of the gospel accounts. Just as examples, how about these..."Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages" (Matthew 9:35) Does that sound like he waited for people to come to HIM?

Lets look at the rest of the passage, shall we. "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." So he did not go door to door. He went city to city, and taught in their synagogues, where the people came to hear and be healed.

And how about, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders..."Into whatever city or village you enter, SEARCH OUT who in it is deserving"" (Matthew 10:11) Again, he SENT THEM FORTH, to "search out" deserving, receptive listeners!

Here is the KJ version. "And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence." Now, as I read it, they were to go to a city, find a person that was worthy and willing, and stay there. From there they could than organize meetings, or attend worship services for the purpose of preaching the gospel.

And, to refute your claim that the early apostles "never" went door to door (this is TOO easy!)...how about Acts 20:20?? This is where Paul (one of those "early apostles", right?) said, "I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly AND FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE."

Yes, they did go from house to another. However, this would be much like the last verse you cited. He would enter a house and from there organize meeting and such. Or he would teach in the synagogue and be invited to a house to continue his preaching.

You may have noticed that I said they did not go door to door in the general sense, which means knocking on one, asking if the inhabitants want to hear the good news, and than moving to the next house on the block. They went house to house as they were invited. They generally taught in public, or in private meetings that they were invited to.

Oh, really?? If that were true, there would be Witnesses being sued left and right, because in many big cities, we stand on corners and distribute our literature, or we work in parking lots of Wal-Marts or convenience stores, or we go into businesses and talk to the owners there.

My comment was more in jest, but it is still true. If you went to the Wal-Mart parking lot, stood on a box, and started yelling your sermon to all within hearing you would likely be arrested and sued. If you quietly approach individuals and offer some panflets or conversation the company could still have you thrown off there property. Yet, this is the very manner in which many of the ancient apostles preached. So, what I said is accurate. What you discribe is either some rather friendly businessmen, or getting permission to do what you do. (Also, I doubt you could get permission on government property.)

In fact, we are not the only religion who preaches publicly...what about those people who protest at funerals because of their hatred of homosexuality?? Do you see THEM getting sued or jailed?? But, they're preaching in a public place, are they not?

Protestors may be preaching, but they are not exactly a religion. Also, it is illegal to disrupt a funeral, and all protestors must be a certain distance away, so you are being restricted, and could be sued.

You really should do some research before expressing such uneducated views. And, READ your bible before you go spouting off what you "think" it says.

I have done my research. On privately owned property you must get permission to preach, and cannot do it in a manner that disturbs the peace. This is what I said.

Also, I have read the entire Bible, more than once, and am currently reading it again. I know what it says. I may not know the exact reference, but I can find it if I have a copy with me. I give references to everything I say. While you may not agree with my interpretation, it is a false statement to say I do not know the Bible.

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