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Re: I did not read your post.
by silent.observer

Whew. Preach on, JV-12. I can see now why he doesn't have time to read our posts. He has too much to write about himself. What a laundry list of fallacies. We've got ad hominem...

  • Start with evidence for the supernatural. It’s painful. I cannot argue with fools (forgive my judgmental description, I am generalizing, not attributing that to every atheist or those sincerely in search of God).
  • You do not impress me JGC nor do your rebuttals. You are so agenda driven it tires me out.
  • But I am not about to waste my time making the same points over and over and over again. You have your reasons to doubt, or you refuse to believe. Fine. I find them to be mostly lame or agenda driven.

I found the last especially rich in irony, given that by that point he already had wasted his time making the same points over and over. :) He seems reluctant to explain this supposed 'agenda,' but from his other writings it's clear that he regards most skeptics and so-called atheists as closeted god-haters.

Then there's the argument from personal incredulity...

  • There clearly is a god, or an intelligent force out there, whatever minimum credit you or anyone else want to afford it. I refuse to debate atheists on if there is a god.
  • I, personally, find most of your arguments doubting most of the revelations I have put forward in the past to be weak. They are desperate, they are mathematically exponentially improbable, and they are agenda driven.
  • There is no comparison on countless other levels or arguments. Christianity is so overwhelmingly more convincing than Islam, Hindusm, Buddhism, Shintoism, tribal religions, etc. as to where God is revealing Himself in the most profound, detailed and truthful way. It is beyond doubt.

This much is clear -- JV-12's capacity for doubt is sorely limited, but then when you can count nearly everything in the world as a miracle is it any wonder. It's all very clear and profound and convincing -- to him. So then we have the straw man...

  • You refuse to believe 70,000 people saw the sun dance defying cosmic laws. You do not care if there were 1,000 atheists in attendance, doctors, communist government officials, and anti-clerical journalists who with great reluctance reported the truth of what they saw in the their Lisbon newspaper “O Seculo.” You refuse the testimony of everyone present who said it lasted 12 minutes or and when it was over their totally drenched clothes and soaked soggy ground were bone dry. It matters not to you.

Lovingly crafted words to put in our mouths, I'm sure. Then there's the argument from popularity. Can't leave that out.

  • You out and out refuse to believe any eye witness to any alleged miracle, I do not care if there are 3 of them, 50 of them, or 70,000 of them. They mean nothing to you. And if there have been a hundred eye witnesses to 1,000 miracles, the number of miracles mean nothing to you.
  • I am not interested in your same weak arguments against this any more than you are interested in me repeating myself on multiple other signs and wonders validating the Christian God including scores of weeping statues, 500,000 Egyptians seeing Mary in on a Christian cathedral, the testimony of hundreds of priests of what manifestations take place at exorcisms, the facts surrounding incorruptible bodies of many saints, divine healings by the thousands, bleeding stigmatas on many saints, and so on.

I mean, aside from the preaching, which is of no logical use anyway, this is the best you've got? Could you fit any more fallacious rhetoric in there, man?

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