Then why bother to discuss the issue? It's a serious question. If you truly believe that "the discussion about what we should do is doomed from the outset". Why discuss or attempt to do anything? This is a pretty long thread as threads go and your nic is prominently sprinkled throughout it. I don't believe that you've spent the time and effort to post as long and carefully as you have if you actually believe that there is nothing that can or should be done.

It's patently dishonest to suggest that it's a priori racist to be opposed to, or concerned with illegal immigration. I am surprised that you would resort to such a cheap shot. I am genuinely surprised. I haven't read a lot of your posts but I have read enough to know that you are bright, articulate, and make a persuasive argument. I think it's intellectually dishonest and brings your motives into question for you to close-line the guy the way you just did.