Kenrock - you claim "post-natal children were, up to a certain age, as dependent on their parents as pre-natal children."

If this is true, and my postnatal child is exactly as dependent on me as my prenatal one as per your argument, then why can't my fetus go anywhere without me?

" For example, should we regard the elderly or handicapped as not fully human because they are dependent on outside agents for survival?"

Of course not. See above. And once more, I'm still not arguing humanness, you brought that into play.

I'm just glad that most of the other people posting seem to understand what I'm trying to say. Otherwise I'd feel like I'm banging my head against a wall.