Revrick, as to your 3:12 pm post

These little girls act that way because they are taught, whether consciously or subconsciously by their mothers, fathers and society.

That's why I'm talking about CHANGING THAT.

And frankly, I know many of us come on here to vent and I appreciate that, but sometimes I think human beings vent too much instead of ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

What's with the defeatist attitude?

Are we AmeriCANS or AmeriCANTS?

I mean, I hate to sound totally goofy, but honestly, our forefathers were under the threat of being killed for treason (and by the most despicable, disgusting ways possible) and yet, nothing stopped them.

This is a somewhat complicated thing, but I tell you what, if we got our heads together, we could do it.

Form an organization (if one hasn't been formed) and start pushing for this stuff from the employer.

As to problems finding women who aren't gold diggers - maybe you are looking in the wrong places. Like buggie, said, maybe you are missing them because they don't look like Paris Hilton.

I mean, buggie sounds like one and I know I am. I was not looking for a sugar daddy. I was looking for a lifemate, a partner, not a caretaker. And I knew, with my law school loans, that unless I or my mate was making 6 figures, we would both have to work.

And I know that men feel the pressure. My husband kind of does, even though I work and we make about the same amount of money. But I had two kids and unfortunately while pregnant with my first, my asshole of a boss decided to fire me and, no, he had no good reason to do so (I'll leave the details out as they are not relevant to this discussion). So with a new house we just moved into and me 6 months pregnant (and therefore unemployable regardless of the discrimination laws - something YOU men will never have to worry about directly), we had to struggle until I could find a job after our daughter was born, which I did as quickly as is humanly possible in the legal field.

But my husband took it in stride and from June 2002 to January 2003, we struggled, got a bit of help from the parents (but not much) and we survived.

So, you know what, we shouldn't be having a pity party for one group or another. The problems we have as men and women are the product of many things, including how we allow society to tell us what to do. We're like sheeple most of the time, really.

So, if something like this is a big concern, form an organization and get crackin'. I'm willing to front some cash and join up and make it happen, how about you?

Because it is a serious problem and without organizing, as someone said, it may not get anywhere.

Let's roll. (or is that trademarked or something?)