Don't forget bear baiting.

And human fights to the death for entertainment.

And public human tortures & executions for public entertainment (which even 5 year olds happily watched).

And executions of 12 year olds for trivial crimes.

And brutal executions of people for having sex in a way society doesn't like.

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Fact is the dead sea scrolls were written by people who went off to live in a commune because they felt morals were declining. I laughed out loud when I read that at the dead sea scrolls exhibit last year. I wonder if they cursed those rotten kids and told them to "get off my lawn!" too.

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I like the point that we are constantly changing what is moral. Some things that are moral for society are immoral for its members. And some things that are moral for its members ultimately lead to immorality and destruction of the society.

The current "christian" leadership in america has become evil- not just immoral. Can you EVER see a real christian authorising ANY KIND of torture???? On top of that it is openly immoral- having been caught knowingly lying repeatedly. But hey! At least Bush isn't having sex with an intern so he's okay right? Bush Sr was okay-- but we should have never elected a booze/party hound that "didn't do cocaine after january of 19xx" (I forget the year but it was as much as an admission that he'd done cocaine.)

There are too many extremes of wealth in this world. Those extremes corrupt everything.