Jeqal, I've never seen anyone use so many words to say absolutely nothing. 'snip'. And, I have no idea what your little Bible-babble was about `snip`

really? why not?

I will address this, however. The Civil War was not fought so that we could learn to exalt some

politician to the position of Supreme Teacher of the Land

Agreed

. 'snip' the Confederacy may have

had a point. `snip` the Union winning didn't make the President the Emperor

What the southerner's have been saying for years.

`snip` people are best suited to solve their own

problems.

Disagree. Even though A T & T may want us to believe we can solve our own problems.

`snip`the Civil War 'snip' did not grant unlimited power of decree to the federal

government.

Agreed.

`snip`One thing that you don't know about me is the expertise I have in the educational field.

Agreed

You are

absolutely 100% wrong about the wonders of centralized control.

Please elucidate the wonders.

The farther you get away from

the classroom, the less effective you are at managing it.

Then why isn't it working.

Washington, DC is about as far away

as you can get

The UN is farther.

(we haven't formed the United Federation of Planets yet).

Much to Will Shatner's chagrin

You also make an insane reference to a senator and teaching.

that was in reference to the initial remark which you brought up about Senator's and teaching.

First of all, there is a difference

between knowing how to do something and knowing how to teach it.

There's also a difference between not knowing what you are teaching

I`snip`
(and by their own admission) because I have the skill, knowledge and expertise to teach the

instrument, even though I'm not as good at playing it.

You bring this up at jam sessions? "you may play better but I can teach it better"

Second, even if a politician could manage

to teach politics, what do they know about teaching reading, math, music, art, and history?

why not?

Little to nothing.

are you putting the ex-educators who are congressmen or Senators into that category also?

Soooo...we're back to my original point on the matter. Taking authority away from

educators and school administrators and giving it to a centralized government is a bad idea.

Isn't that a rebuttal? Are you teaching anywhere in Michigan?

Your spew about "moderating the pot" is one of the worst educational practices ever tried.

really, where has it been practiced?

Do

you know what the goal for NCLB is?

Yes that would be handing money to another Bush brother who owns the company that publishes the workbooks used for the program.

`snip` don't you think we ought to push kids to be excellent,

Yes, creating an atmosphere that allows a school to fail a child and to reprimand a school with a score card for sending a kid unprepared and credentialed into society.

`snip` class size, "inclusion," and a host of other problems that a teacher

has no way of solving, the general curriculum is "dumbed down" enough so that the lazy and

mentally incapable students can plod along while everyone else grinds out 12 years in public

school to get a diploma.

AGREED

The kids at the top tier have been getting short changed in many public schools.

Agreed!

Our myopic view of education has pushed `snip` ignoring history 'snip`

Except for 'black history' which is extremely biased and it homogenizes the strong females within its pages.

Culturally inept children with high self

esteem and low achievement...and they are not any better in reading and math. We have some

of the lowest test scores of the industrialized world.

Agreed. The protestant work ethic is not a bad thing.

Yeah, let's have more laws and more

central control and more top-down force. It's done so well for us in the last 40 years, hasn't it?

Disagree. We do not have central control of the educational system.

And to answer your point about the President being the Educational leader. I'm all for it as long as he understands how to educate.

Also, it is time we placed responsibility on the kids to learn. If they don't want to fine, don't pass them. But to pass kids because you aren't allowed to fail them is endemic to the US and will lead to global taxation.

My point in Georgia and the water is this. The leaders in Georgia are poorly educated and the Press has become lazy. When the superhighways were going in there was much debate over the cement used, also there was much debate over the unregulated coastal areas. The argument was...Georgia relies on it's groundwater to keep it from drought like conditions. The choice of the government within Georgia at that time was to go with the cheaper concrete that did not allow water to seep through it and get back into the ground table. Secondarily, they still do not regulate the coastline, which has created lost pockets that water used to store itself in.

My biblical reference to Georgia was this idiotic prayer meeting they had, "praying for the drought to end in Georgia".

My annoyance with people who are monotheistic is that they rely on god to solve everything for them. The irony of course is that in the book of Genesis for christians the first command to Adam and Eve was to "take care of the earth".

I furthered the argument to include Revelations because being from fundamentalist roots myself, I am hearing a lot of happy horse hoo ha concerning women being elected and Armegeddon.

So my point is, they don't have the first command by god stated explicitly in Genesis right, why do they think that they understand the more esoteric Revelations. Then allowing the idea that they understand that dense book, written well after the apostle John was dead btw, then why do they think that they can stop what will come by not electing a woman? This leads to all sorts of interesting things like...maybe they can stop going to hell by discouraging dissemination information about Jesus Christ anywhere.