The process-oriented therapists talk about "dreaming-up", which is sort of shorthand for what is evoked in you as a complimentary process to how someone is treating you.

Identity is plastic, and this has a huge impact, but this is the sort of thing racists "racialists" don't want to countenance.

I wonder how Taylor felt, however, having been "dreamed up" up there in Ottawa? Think he was angry? Defensive? You think he can imagine being "dreamed up" as a thug, or imbecile, consistently from an early age?

An educated hypocrite is the worst sort, because they're so damned good at excusing or disowning their hypocrisy. They're particularly offensive because their education provided them with the conceptual tools to avoid spurious reasoning, but they choose instead to reinforce their prejudices.

I would rather Saletan had come and addressed Taylor, though - a few more credibility points in the deficit, I suppose.

I've never read American Renaissance and thus have no opinion about Jared Taylor. But after reading the earlier threads about what a vile racist he is, I expected a lot of disgusting quotes to be thrown back at him when he posted here. So far, all I've seen is something innocuous about the Hispanic population increasing in Salt Lake City and that he favors racial profiling for law enforcement purposes, something reasonable people can and do disagree about. Is that all you've got?

I guess that reporter was correct about your powers of denial.

Sure you met David Duke in 1994. But you neglect to mention that you spent 2 whole days with him in 2006. Dining with him last year is harder to remember than bumping into him in a lobby 13 years ago? Unbelievable.

You also don't let on that the stormfront.org neo-nazis headed by the klansman Don Black made up 1/3rd of the attendees to your last convention.

Typical. Act offended, but when it comes down to it... you know who your bread & butter audience is. Looking at your website, it is clear who you speak to and who you speak for.

You advocate "white preservation" do you not?

Like I said. I have more respect for skinheads... they are at least honestly hateful.

Sandra

There are some excellent articles on the oh-so-reasonable Mr. Taylor, the company he keeps and the journals he writes for, online at http://tinyurl.com/2ygtar and http://tinyurl.com/24kxde.

And get with it, man. Leaders of the modern racist movement leave the stomping and the screaming to the foot-soldiers: they dress in suits and ties, speak more in sorrow than in anger about the inferiority of the Lesser Breeds and generally keep their own noses clean. That way, folks will be impressed at how reasonable they all seem.

I'd be happy to have a discussion with the man about the manner in which he derives conclusions from his data, but sorry - reviewing all of his articles for factual errors is an awfully distasteful task. I just glanced around, and picked those two up pretty much by random (the Lynn article because this is a subject within my bailiwick).

But you won't find much in the way of offensive comments from Jared Taylor. Why don't you review the relevant links in this post, and tell me what you think?

But Jared is a very careful speaker. He takes great pains to avoid presenting himself in the manner of a David Duke, or a Don Black. If you want a racist quote, there is this one:

"The races are different. Blacks and whites are different. When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western Civilization—any kind of civilization—disappears. And in a crisis, civilization disappears overnight."

Make up your own mind about his racist predilections.

Marc, is that like saying that Hillary and Obama are responsible for all the vicious, stupid things said by members of their Democratic base? Again, I know next to nothing about Jared Taylor, and I am neither attacking nor defending him. It's just that some of the posters here made him sound like a latter-day Hitler, but all they can back it up with is a quote about the Hispanic population of SLC increasing. Now, you suggest he's evil because he doesn't say disgusting things.

go do a little reading.

General, I read the article you linked. While I thought the conclusion was over-drawn, I've read black commentators who've written almost as harshly about the degeneracy of contemporary black culture, especially the sexual irresponsibility and the glorification of the thug. Black violent crime rates are about eight times those of whites, a fact that no one can sugar-coat. While some of that disparity can probably be explained by lower median IQs (street thugs are disproportionately stupid), it hasn't always been this bad, so I think the causes are mostly cultural and political (atrocious city governments like N.O.'s). I'd have to read more of Taylor to decide if he is just on the far end of respectable opinion or over the line.

is way over the line, in my book.

The thing that alarms people like me the most about Jared Taylor is - he doesn't (usually) talk like a racist. But being a very careful and diplomatic racist who carefully couches his offensive sentiments in innocuous terms doesn't make him less of a racist - it just means he's an exceptionally clever racist.

You've got a lot of links to look at, if you're inclined, or you could go to the discussion forums at his site and look at what is fomenting there. There have also been a lot of other links posted on the Fray - not just by me, but by a host of other people (Melvyl, notably). You could exercise the search engine, if you were inclined.

I hope he comes back. More, however - I wish Saletan had the integrity to respond to him.

E. O'Neal: If Democrats say vicious and stupid things (I'm a little unclear on the sorts of things they'd say that would equal the filth that comes out of Stormfront or the BNP, but never mind), then I'd expect any responsible Democratic leader to condemn such vicious and stupid things. If they don't, they'd deserve to be condemned in turn. One of the articles I posted talked about Taylor's efforts to keep the 'Fuck the Jews' wing and the slightly more genteel elements of modern American racism coexisting at his conferences (whereas a decent person would've thrown them all out, the Sturmtroopers first), and the tap-dancing he does when his colleagues and protegés say disgusting things is truly awesome to behold.

And I'm saying that he's evil because of his racist beliefs, and his attempts to build a white society without any regard for the injuries so done to non-white Americans. The fact that he doesn't, personally, in public, use the words 'nigger' or 'kike' is more or less irrelevant.

Marc and General,I'm not defending Jared Taylor. His views seem extreme to me, though, as you've said, he apparently is not guilty of overt racism. The discussions at Am Ren do include many overt racists whose venom turns my stomach. Yet, I see the same thing when I visit the left-wing site Daily Kos, given respectability by the leading Democrats who attended its convention. At Kos, you can find posters cheering for the death of American servicemen in Iraq and making scurrilous statements about the President and V.P. and their families. Condi Rice and before her Colin Powell are often subject to racial slurs like "house n*****".None of the Democrats seem to object to this filth. So, my position is that I have no use for anyone, of any political persuasion, who willingly associates himself or herself with haters and bigots. I'm not into selective outrage.

"At Kos, you can find posters cheering for the death of American servicemen in Iraq and making scurrilous statements about the President and V.P. and their families. Condi Rice and before her Colin Powell are often subject to racial slurs like "house n*****".None of the Democrats seem to object to this filth." E. O'Neal

I had the distinct pleasure of being banned from Dailykos - I'm not a fan. I am a Democrat, and I object to that filth.

That being said, the one doesn't really have much to do with the other, does it? I'm sure there are "conservatives" who are also outraged at Mr. Taylor's actions - racism is not a disease that uniformly infects conservatives, or uniformly spares "liberals". Have you seen similar statements on this forum go unchallenged?

General,I've seen some anti-Semitic comments here that I was the only one to object to.

I think you and I are in agreement that we can't stand bigotry on either end of the political spectrum. What seems unfair though is to use the Am Ren posters to tar Taylor, Taylor to tar Rushton, and Rushton to tar Jensen, Murray and all the other researchers in the field who hypothesize that there is a genetic component to racial differences on IQ tests. That seems to be stretching guilt by association past the breaking point.

There was also a poster who called another poster a "coon" after he described himself as a black man who agreed with Saletan. Then another poster accused him of being a "self-hating black man". All this because he didn't hold the opinion that these tolerant, egalitarian liberals expect a black person to hold. Have you noticed that leftists can be extremely condescending and hateful toward black conservatives? Like the great legal scholar Harry Reid who described Clarence Thomas's Supreme Court decisions as "second-rate" but, when asked a follow-up question, couldn't actually name any of the cases he had in mind.