Degsme, to defend AA you have to come up with a credible argument why the children of Obama, Colin Powell, and Vernon Jordan deserve highly preferential treatment over a poor white Appalacian white kid.

gringo_911:

You know nothing abotu me and my kids - and yet, you claim to know this about us. On what basis?

I finally read the NYT article. I had to go through the pain of filling all their crap. And after I read it- shit this article means nothing. There is no explanation on the the difference (how large is it), no explanation on who scored for who, no explanation on who was presenting the stuff (at least we could see their faces and hear them talk) - and even then, there is no attempt to find out WHY the people voted for the white guy.

It's so pathetic - it fits perfectly your race pimping crap.

• you are Russian (not relevant except to your politics)
• You are white
• You are male
• You are now in the USA

You receive unearned priviledges on a daily basis because of the last 3.

And as with Quantum mechanics (explain why the only two spin states and not 4?) there you don't need to explain HOW or WHY to recognize WHAT.

And the WHAT in this case is that white males receive unearned preferences in any subjective evaluation. Furthermore we know that alomst ALL evaluations are subjective

You are white and male. You have and continue to receive unearned preferences on a daily basis because on a daily basis you are subjectively evaluations

it fits perfectly your race pimping crap.

Here though your russian culture DOES tell us something. We DO know that one of the few national cultures that has a deeper problem with racism than the USA is Russia. And it is highly unlikely that you were untouched by that in your upbringing.

BlueEyesAustin:

Degsme, to defend AA you have to come up with a credible argument why the children of Obama, Colin Powell, and Vernon Jordan deserve highly preferential treatment over a poor white Appalacian white kid.

That's a false comparison. Because the children of those three are not competing with a poor white Appalachian white kid. They instead are competing with the son's of Jeb Bush, who's ability to get into elite prep schools, universities and jobs is enhanced by "legacy's" created at a time when racism and white male privilege were not only legal, but legally enforced.

In the face of such structural racism the children of elite non-whites still need affirmative action to compete with elite whites.

Why would such racism still exist? Remember that at the head of the elite Law Partnerships, Corporate executive suites etc. are classmates of Scalia. Classmates who entered business at the same time did so at a time when racism was still legally enforced. To suggest that these individuals could shed their acculturated biases they were brought up with is to suggest that a leopard can change its spots. No not all of them were/are overtly racist, but that acculturation is requires a level of effort to overcome that very few take.

The poor white kid from Appalachia is no more competing with Malia Obama, than he is with Jebby Bush. So your comparison simply isn't meaningful.

-you are Russian (not relevant except to your politics)

On what basis did you conclude that I was Russian?

• You are white
• You are male
• You are now in the USA

How did I get into the USA? Sine you are the one trying to prove that much better people were bypassed so I could be successful, you must also discuss whether it was easier for me than for a typical American born black male or white female. I am readyto listen..

You receive unearned priviledges on a daily basis because of the last 3.

You have now to explain in what part of my career I got those unearned priviliges. Please be specific.

And as with Quantum mechanics (explain why the only two spin states and not 4?) there you don't need to explain HOW or WHY to recognize WHAT.

The recognition is tested empirically. Your claims are based on your logical constructs and are not tested empirically. In short, you are pushing astrology now.

And the WHAT in this case is that white males receive unearned preferences in any subjective evaluation.

1.All whites got unearned privililges over all blacks? You have no evidence of this.

2. You try to get rid of OBJECTIVE tests like SAT and GRE and firemen tests - and substitute them with subjective tests - which you personally think are extremely biased. Ahm.

Furthermore we know that alomst ALL evaluations are subjective

So, your "evaluation" of my racism is subjective? All the articles you were showing here are subjective? Ahm.

You are white and male. You have and continue to receive unearned preferences on a daily basis because on a daily basis you are subjectively evaluations

You provide no evidence of that. I can by same token state that you work for the KGB.

it fits perfectly your race pimping crap.

Here though your russian culture DOES tell us something.

"Race pimping" is a purely American term. Surely you hate Russian culture, but I suggest you keep your bigotry more private.

We DO know that one of the few national cultures that has a deeper problem with racism than the USA is Russia. And it is highly unlikely that you were untouched by that in your upbringing.

Now you are making bigoted comments again. BTW, I remember you told me that your parents immigrated from the Baltic countries during WW2. Am I to assume that they were connected with the infamous pro-nazi troops, which exterminated the Jews?

You made the claim to having been born in the USSR. That makes you russian.

How did I get into the USA?

Irrelevant.

You have now to explain in what part of my career I got those unearned priviliges. Please be specific.

Every day spent in Russia and every day spent in the USA. And while "race pimping" is an 'American Term" the concept isn't just american.

As I documented, racism is an endemic problem in russia.

No, Sewell is significantly inferior to Infume, West, Smiley, Guineer, Powell, Rice, Hill,Jacoby , Glauberman, or Nutter.

Not even in the same league.

No, degsme, that poor white kid will not get the bonus due to race that the rich and well connected black kids get. That's how affirmative action works--ALL blacks are priviledged and ALL whites are harmed. It matters not one tiny bit the position any individual comes to the competition with.

You show amazing ignorance.

You made the claim to having been born in the USSR. That makes you russian.

NO, this makes me a former citizen of the USSR. This does not mean I am Russian.

How did I get into the USA?

Irrelevant.

If I had to deal with issues that black did not have to - then it means I had unfair disadvantage, not them. Ergo - blacks in america have unfair advantage, and should be discriminated in order to level the playing field with me.

You have now to explain in what part of my career I got those unearned priviliges. Please be specific.

Every day spent in Russia and every day spent in the USA.

Specify on which day I got "unearned advantage". Unless you do so, I will consider you the paid agent of the KGB.

And while "race pimping" is an 'American Term" the concept isn't just american.

It's not a Russian concept.

As I documented, racism is an endemic problem in russia.

Racism is a problem in all countries. But again, stop being such a racist assuming all who lived in the USSR are racist. Cause this logic would prove once again that you work for the KGB.

BTW, you claimed that your relatives escaped USSR during WW2. It's very possible they worked for the nazis and helped round up the Jews.

degsme:

You made the claim to having been born in the USSR. That makes you russian.

Trouble with facts again? This is equivilant to saying that since I was born in the USA, it makes me a Texan.

degsme:

As I documented, racism is an endemic problem in russia.

You didn't document anything, you asserted it. Further without knowing what part of the USSR you are talking about it doesn't follow he received any "privillages" at all. For example if he is from Kyrgyzstan and not native Kyrgyz the opposite is probably true.

If I had to deal with issues that black did not have to - then it means I had unfair disadvantage, not them.

Nope. Compared to your PEERS - ie minority emigrees - because you are white and male, you immediately began receiveing unearned privileges. Sorry, that's the reality.

As for citizen of USSR and Russian - same diff. USSR was simply a rebranding of the Russian Hegemonic Empire.

And while racism exists in all countries, two in which it is rampant are the USA and USSR.

As for working for the Nazis - its possible - but Nazi's rarely put their own into forced labor camps.

degsme:

As for citizen of USSR and Russian - same diff. USSR was simply a rebranding of the Russian Hegemonic Empire.

Same diff? So a child born to French parents in Paris in 1943 is German? A palistinian is an Israeli? Same diff right??

You disregard whole ethnicities simple because they were conquered. They are not Russian, anymore than I am Roman.

No, Anyone who identifies as being born in the USSR is not ethnically from one of the subjugated nations. QED they are russian.

I agree. The poor white kid won't have the advantages of an elite black kid.

So you are now suggesting that even though a poor white kid won't have the advantages of an elite white kid (and hence will be unable to compete) it IS OK for the poor white kid to be able to compete with an elite black kid who is DENIED the ability to compete with his or her peers?

IOW "po' white trash is still better than an n!@@^;"?

degsme:

No, Anyone who identifies as being born in the USSR is not ethnically from one of the subjugated nations. QED they are russian.

Uzbeks, Kazaks, Krygyz, Georgians, Ukranians, Latvians, Lithuainains, Estonians... need I go on??? Any born before 1991 were born in the USSR.

What I am suggesting, Degsme, is that the poor white kid and the poor black kid BOTH ought to have their circumstances taken into account when competing with an elite white OR an elite black kid.

That seems to me to be basic justice. The notion that a child of a black doc from the Hamptons ought to get preference over a white kid born to Appalacian rock farmers is obscene. And yet it is the law of the land today.