Unless, of course, it's the consensual coupling of a gay or lesbian couple. The sex that Europeans had in the East was oppressive, but when they brought it home it was "liberating".

My guess is that any sex that involves a white male having a fantasy of any sort fulfilled is negative and oppressive to the Liberal, while any sex involving women doing as they see fit is progressive and good.

Guess again.

You've never had a woman and you've never met a liberal.

And yeah, those two facts are not entirely unrelated!

I'm confused by the OP's post. Isn't the religious right the group--you know, the one who promotes abstinence outside of marriage and constantly tries to censor pop culture--the one which has a problem with sexuality? Last I checked, those people are 95% conservatives. Don't conservatives--assuming the OP considers himself one--usually scold the sexually permissive attitude of liberals? I better consult Rush for the correct answer, pronto!

Let's just say that no matter what you say or do as a liberal, you are constantly under judgement for your implied inability to not maintain the moral standards that Movement Conservative have decided the rest of the world needs to adhere to.

But that's as far as it goes. Think of it this way. If you can consider yourself a fiscal conservative when for the last thirty years you have voted in the biggest wasters of tax payer's monies, then I would imagine that you can rationalize any kind of behavior on your part.

Good luck convincing them otherwise.

Well okay, but let's not pretend there is not also a Liberal Orthodoxy which everyone, including liberals themselves, are having to constantly adhere to at risk of punishment.

And what would that Orthodoxy be? And on what manner of taxonomy would you place these Liberals and who might you consider fit in this particular box?

The term liberal is always so convienent for Movement Conservatives to stuff full of straw and have a go at with their pitch fork. I realize that I am guilty of the crime of Straw Man arguments by labeling the Top Poster a Movement Conservative, but we are already pretty far down the thread and he hasn't exactly objected to that label - though I suspect his silence has more to do with the fact that he resembles my original remark about him more than he wants to admit!

So have fun with your labels - I did!

SUCCESSFUL TROLL IS SUCCESFUL!

Like I said, let's not pretend there is not plenty of liberal orthodoxy (in addition to conservative orthodoxy). Let's not pretend that group-think doesn't occur in every group and which eventually hardens into orthodoxy, especially as it pertains to political group think. It's just silly to deny this exists on the left as well as the right. Take a walk around pretty much any university and you will be saturated in it. Having worked at UCLA for 14 years I can attest to some jaw-droppingly rigid and punitive "liberal" codes.

And "liberal" and "conservative," however ham-fisted these labels are, do in fact have meaning.

BetterThanU:

Unless, of course, it's the consensual coupling of a gay or lesbian couple. The sex that Europeans had in the East was oppressive, but when they brought it home it was "liberating". My guess is that any sex that involves a white male having a fantasy of any sort fulfilled is negative and oppressive to the Liberal, while any sex involving women doing as they see fit is progressive and good.

Were'nt alot of free loving hippies considered part of the liberal community? They did'nt seem to view sex as oppressive.

You are correct. Any political movement that expects to be effective will have what you call an Orthodoxy, which is to say that it expects a minimum of agreement on key issues. Everyone understands that, I suppose. If you are a member of a union, I suppose you have to at least agree that when a strike is called that you go on strike or it isn't much of a Union.

But you have to admit that the Movement Conservatives have gotten into some serious and I think harmful philosophical rigidity in the midst of what I would consider bad timing. Just when they need to be inviting people into their big tent, instead they are kicking out people that mostly agree with them.

I suppose what bothered me about the top poster was the fact that he was the top poster. He immediately threw up the label Liberal and then proceeded to describe to us what exactly it meant to be a liberal without any context to....well....liberals. It is the classic Straw Man Fallacy. And it is a very common fallacy amoung Movement Conservatives. I realize that you could accuse me of the same fallacy except that I'm not the top poster here. My comments about Movement Conservatives is not based on false premises that I made up out of thin air (or staw!), it is a reaction to what our feckless top poster commented on and if I am guilty of anything, it would be assuming his affiliation.

Andyou can correct me on that point if I am wrong.

Early Bird, of course liberal orthodoxy exists alongside conservative orthodoxy. My (badly worded) post above merely questioned the nature of the current, fashionable conservative view of liberal sexuality. Has some sea change happened overnight, where now conservatives now see liberals as too conservative about sexuality? The OP is implying that, after all. Or does he merely, and stupidly, assume any viewpoint he disagrees with must be a liberal viewpoint? Or most likely, he is just a troll.

I completely agree that conservatism as a movement is in a very bad state of affairs. It is where any successful movement which has had a long run gets to: it ends up becoming all about power rather than principles, and loses its way and becomes intellectually corrupt. It then starts turning on itself because all it has is allegiance to its own power rather than its ideals.

Conservatism at the end of this decade reminds me of liberalism in the '70s. It is now a tired caricature of itself made up of mostly people who consider themselves victims of the culture and times. It's basically a bunch of whiners led by a bunch of power mad priests, and can offer very little which is relevant, or even coherent.

It took liberalism a good long time in the wilderness to get its bearings again and become relevant and serious. Conservatism has a long, long crawl back also. It will first have to start removing the unserious among them, like liberalism did.

He's clearly a troll. He's the kind of guy who, when cut off in traffic, honks his horn and screams "Damn liberal!" Fresh, tasty cheese is conservative. When it gets moldy it becomes liberal cheese.

Good guess. Asians are about 3% of the US population. Apparently, the disproportionate attraction of Caucasian males to these few Asian females is cause for alarm among feminist journalists. Then pen will never be mightier than the phallus.