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"her slutty flight attendant look" and other pertinent facts
by Joe_JP
The pertinent facts: During his monologue on June 8, Letterman called Palin a "slutty flight attendant" and joked about Palin's daughter being propositioned by former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer and "knocked up" by Alex Rodriguez during a Yankees game. Letterman later insisted the joke was about 18-year-old teen mom Bristol, but the young Palin in attendance at Yankee Stadium that night was 14-year-old Willow, allowing her mom to rage that the late-night talk-show host was contributing to a culture "that says it's OK to talk about statutory rape" and offer up a counterjoke that "it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

The joke was in the top 10, which might not be too important I guess, but probably more importantly, it was about her "buying makeup at Bloomingdale's to update her slutty flight attendant look." The joke was not that she was a "slut" but that she had a "slutty" look. It also was not saying that all flight attendants are slutty. It is that she looks like one that looks slutty.

We are supposed to ignore that this joke is not taken from the ether somewhere for no reason, but has a clear basis. She has used her looks for political gain. Tina Fey joked about this in that skit with "Hillary Clinton" on SNL [reference to "MILFs"]. She quite arguably overdoes it with the glossy makeup and short skirts that show off her legs. It is not that all women politicians are slutty for looking nice nor more than John Edwards emphasized his "pretty boy" looks (which even his wife joked about) suggests all good looking guys are girly or something. It is that she and her handlers flaunt it for political gain. And, yes, with a short skirt and glossy makeup and all, she does look something like a stewardess who is a bit slutty. Sorry.

As to the jokes about her "daughter." It is just obvious they were about Bristol. She's the one who was pregnant. Even critics of Letterman at times was annoyed Palin kept on bringing up Willow. Likewise, many suggest -- quite reasonably -- the jokes underline that Spitzer and A-Rod are seedy characters. IOW, they are not about her daughter as such. Since she is 18, it also would not be "rape" if she did get pregnant unless it was nonconsensual, which is simply not necessary for the joke to work. Definitely not the one where Spitzer "propositioned" (you know, asked) her.

I'm sure the fact she got pregnant and later kept in the public sphere -- pushed by her parents surely -- factored in. Yes, it was partially about Bristol, an adult. A public figure now. All of this makes her a bit different from the Obama girls or even Biden's kids, who have not put themselves out there. But, the joke was in poor taste and a mother can say that for sure. Teens, even when they make matters worse by their own actions, should be treated with some degree of care. And, Dave does at times use crude jokes that simply are beneath him, like shots at ethnic cabdrivers smelling bad or yet another Clinton sex joke.

Exaggerating things or ignoring certain mitigating factors (including that Conan and others already made similar jokes!) is much less appropriate. The whole thing was tedious on so many levels.

-j

How about Obama's slutty mother?
by gringo_911

Any objections if comedians start joking about her?

BTW, Palin went with her 14 year old daughter to the game. Letterman joked about the daughter who went to this game. Ergo, he was joking about a 14 year old kid.

BTW, when you say that Palin pushed her daughter on a political stage - explain what was done differently than what Obama did with his kids.

How does this fit the whole public figure / using looks
by Joe_JP

thing? Palin is a public figure (who btw is alive) who used her looks for political effect. How is this relevent to the sexual behavior of Obama's deceased mom?

He said "daughter" and it was generally assumed -- by viewers who generally were not aware who went to the game with her -- that he was talking about the one who was actually pregnant before. It is very unclear that Letterman or his writers knew what daughter went to the game. As a joke as well, Bristol works better anyway.

His kids are not out there promoting absistence causes or the like. All politicians have their kids out there as photo ops. They don't all are used to promote causes or have their boyfriends put center stage at political conventions etc.

-j

Palin brought her kids to the convention...
by gringo_911
Obama talked at lenght at how his mother was great. Why should his mother be protected from the jokes that are made about Palin's 18 year old daughter?
Re: Palin brought her kids to the convention...
by DrBritesnide
If you are going to conflate the issue, then Palin owes Obama an apology for the palling arond with terrorists insult from the campaign.
Re: Palin brought her kids to the convention...
by Joe_JP

This is not "regarding" the fact kids were brought to the convention.

You asked if I would object if comedians joked about Obama's "slutty mother." Again, in what context would her alleged sexual practices be relevant -- using the material I discussed -- for jokes? She has no reputation in that regard -- she had sex before marriage (in the '60s) but then married the person involved. What humor are we supposed to address here?

Palin's appearance was the subject of jokes, for good reason, because she is a public figure who exploited it for political gain. The fact Obama talked about his mom does not make her a public figure. The mom is also dead. Again, sort of different, huh? Calling people who died young of cancer sluts for no real reason is not only not funny it's particularly crude. Yes, more so than calling adults sluts or joking about (live) adult young women have unprotected sex (when they promote absistence after apparently having it & then getting pregnant) with someone many women find hot. Or, some other guy harassing her.

The joke was largely that Spitzer and A-Rod are offensive characters who parents should keep their teenage girls away from. Also, something about Bristol getting pregnant. She wasn't called a "slut" -- Palin's appearance was called slutty. Yet again, how does this get you to a joke where a dead person is called slutty? Where's the equalization?

-j


Re: Palin brought her kids to the convention...
by Joe_JP

Heck, at least that had some basis given his previous dealings with the Weatherman guy. As political shots go, that was almost a given.

-j

Re: Palin brought her kids to the convention...
by DrBritesnide

gringo wishes to drag Obama and his family into this for the pruposes of smear. In his warped partisan mind this unrelated issue of Palin and Letterman is "fair game" to him, as far as drawing this gymnastically stupid paralell, and he clenches it in his teeth like a dog with a bone. There IS no equalization. In HIS mind, defiling this woman's memory is justified for two reasons...first, she's dead and can't fight back...second because she was white and her husband was African...in HIS racist mind that makes her a slut.

Re: Palin brought her kids to the convention...
by DrBritesnide
Joe_JP:

Heck, at least that had some basis given his previous dealings with the Weatherman guy. As political shots go, that was almost a given.

-j

A very tenous basis at best, and not above apologizing for. Those who live in glass houses, and all that.

How is Palin's dauhter more a slut...
by gringo_911

than Obama's mother.

As far as the jokes go - slutty crazy Obama's mother, talking about helping the people, while living off the government the government handouts, Obama high on cocain, talling about evil white people and communism - sure you can see a pretty funny picture here.

BTW, let me remind that Obama was very upset when the media discussed the stupid quotes of his wife. Yes, same wife that was making political speeches. Were you also outraged?

Re: How is Palin's dauhter more a slut...
by DrBritesnide

FBI Tips and Public Leads--

Please enter your information: Egregious racist invective smearing the First Family found on Slate.com 6/17/09.

gringo_911:

than Obama's mother.

As far as the jokes go - slutty crazy Obama's mother, talking about helping the people, while living off the government the government handouts, Obama high on cocain, talling about evil white people and communism - sure you can see a pretty funny picture here.

BTW, let me remind that Obama was very upset when the media discussed the stupid quotes of his wife. Yes, same wife that was making political speeches. Were you also outraged?

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Re: How is Palin's dauhter more a slut...
by YannyX

That was a lame report Britesnide.

Anyways gringo, no one really cares if people make jokes about Michelle Obama. I don't remember any outrage and if there was, woe to those people.

Re: How is Palin's dauhter more a slut...
by DrBritesnide
YannyX:

That was a lame report Britesnide.

Anyways gringo, no one really cares if people make jokes about Michelle Obama. I don't remember any outrage and if there was, woe to those people.

Shove your opinions up your ass and twirl.

If you feel froggy.....jump!
by Trebuchet

Let's hear your Ann Dunham Soetoro jokes.

It shouldn't be that hard to one up Letterman, after all, his Sarah and Bristol jokes weren't all that funny. And everyone loves a good dead mother joke.

What are you waiting for?
by Trebuchet

Let's hear your joke.

Don't tell me you can't google a website of tasteless Obama jokes.

Well?

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