once gay marriage becomes legal in all or nearly all of the states what tack the far right will take in attacking the institution. They're certainly not done, I can tell you that. They may have accepted that it's fast becoming a nation-wide movement, and are now waiting to dig their heels in a couple years down the road with 'data', 'studies', and 'observations' that confirm (only to them) that it's impugning on their rights and damaging society.

As long as the Right insists that bigotry, torture, perpetual scowling and attacking Obama about abortion (despite not seriously venturing to overturn Roe since it's inception), they will be be rightly perceived as the Party of No.

GIR:

As long as the Right insists that bigotry, torture, perpetual scowling and attacking Obama about abortion (despite not seriously venturing to overturn Roe since it's inception), they will be be rightly perceived as the Party of No.

I give the right more credit than that. At it's core, the Republican party is the party of business and will always put corporate interests above that of the religious wing. If the majority of states do begin to legalize gay marriage, I can see gay marriage being legalized in even the most conservative states.

It would simply make good business sense. As much as people want to deny it, there are a lot of gay Americans out there. If nearly every state is "gay friendly" in terms of marriage rights, any state that holds out would be at a competitive disadvantage in terms of recruiting a workforce.

The president of my company is a good ol' boy to his core but our company recognizes civil unions even though our state does not. He doesn't do it for any ideological reasons; he does it because he wants to recruit good people and doesn't give a cr*p about the politics of it.

Good point re: the business aspect of allowing civil unions and/or same sex marriage.

My state paid for interesting market research before the move to allow civil unions and then same sex marriages. The demographics of the people that would potentially marry in our state was enlightening. They do tend to be highly educated, well-off people that have disposable income to spare. A big part of our income comes from tourism. In short, it was a business friendly decision.

The biggest enemy of the Movement Conservatives is time. The people that believe in what they erroneously refer to as traditional values are overwhelmingly older than the majority generation and as they die out, there is no one to replace them.

As soon as the demographics dip below a commercial viability, they will lose their media outlets and they will become a fringe group.

Can't happen too soon.

Trebuchet wrote:

"The biggest enemy of the Movement Conservatives is time." Treb, I'm glad you wrote the biggest enemy of your movement is "time," not 'truth.' Of course, you and all lefties don't believe in truth, so why do i bother? Your response means you agree, that your belief in same sex marriage is not founded in any solid basis in natural law or judicial history, but only in your "Feelings, all my life is Feelings, nothing more than feelings, all my life i feel it' philosophy.

What we will do is insist on a (hopefully) amicable divorce from you blue state folks, who believe in a secularist eurabianist philosophy, but we will keep the nukes, because you children cannot be trusted with them.

Yes, the conservative (not the repub) party is the party of No, No to Evil each and every time. Yes, we have tried to overturn roe v. wade, and would have in 1992, except for the traitor anthony kennedy in planned (anti) parenthood v. casey. No conservative, including cheney, is for torture. we just disagree with you softies about whether waterboarding is torure on not, certainly not up there with bamboo shoots under finger nails, etc. Perpetual scowling? Is that what the nance from san fran has? No, i guess that was just the botox shifting. bigotry? hmmmm. Aren't you by your own word bigoted against the Right? But no, you lefties are great at seeing the speck in the Right's eyes (of which I, of the Right, admit there are plenty) but you on the left unbelievably purport that y'all are perfectly morally clairvoyant. Sad.

GIR,

I'm glad that you think at core the conservative movement is a biz philosophy, because that is so totally wrong, that means we true conservatives can sneak up on you, because when we come, it won't be with ' econ/libertarian/neoocon arguments.'' To the extent those are true, they are only peripheral. True conservatives believe in the Judaeo-Christian philosophy upon which this country was founded (along with a slight hand from a few, though prominent deist so-called enlighteners). To the extent that we true conservatives, conserv-ing the culture on which western civ was born, agree with the neo-conservative =liberal economic folk, it is only on the issue of smaller government, meaning smaller than the judicial coup d'etat folks of Roe v. Wade.

You and all lefties? Really? You didn't learn to stop using those kinds of arguments when you were in your Freshman Logic Class?

My belief is that marriage is not founded on any solid basis in natural law or judicial history. Marriage has been over the ages defined in any number of ways including marriage between a man and a number of women, a man and a child under the age of consent and two children under the age of consent.

When you talk about traditional values, you are not talking about the human history, you are referring to some fuzzy fable about the 1950s. That is not reality.

"To the extent that we true conservatives, conserv-ing the culture on which western civ was born, agree with the neo-conservative =liberal economic folk, it is only on the issue of smaller government, meaning smaller than the judicial coup d'etat folks of Roe v. Wade."

So, Barry Goldwater wasn't a true conservative in your book? What about libertarians; not conservative either?

Don't need a "tack" simply the word of God. Even if those you support outlaw that it will still be valid and in existence.

Truett,

A belief in God is not about to be outlawed, nor does it necessitate a conservative viewpoint.