Why is that Clintonites (mirroring their candidate) expect to get their asses kissed after throwing vitriol for half a year? You people got beat, despite your underhanded tactics and whining. Now, we're are supposed to succor you -- even though we all were SUPPOSED to be after the same larger goal? Enough alread. Cry me a river, build a bridge over it, and move on!

I don't see it as frenzy at all - and I am old enough to think it resembles the passions ignited by RFK....and maybe a little Pope John Paul II.

Well....perhaps you're in denial. I'm old enough for those too; and I don't recall the kind of screeching FURY exhibited by any of those passions--as are seen here. But....well, I've brought this up several times, and you seem to continue to pretend it doesn't exist. I'll stop trying (right after I say: that kind of denial ALSO seemed a part of the Hillary frenzy--and of Hillary herself.)

OK, I'll give it one last try: Remind me from the past when the frenzied followers of one candidate THREATENED to vote for the opposite PARTY, the very opposite of everything their candidate stood for--unless....unless I don't know what? Unless people started voting for their candidate? I don't ever recall seeing or ever hearing about that kind of psychotic following. So...what, you're remembering Catholics threatening to become JEWS if people didn't convert to catholicism and follow Pope John Paul II?

At this point I am not happy with anyone running.Money has become the answer to everything.

I thought the Obama supporters would settle down after the Primary but their hate Hillary posts are just as rabid.Theya re now insisting we join them,no matter how we feel for the"Good of the party."

I could care less about the party,I am concerned about my country and Obama is not experienced enough to be in charge.

We have had a trainee for 8 years.We do not need another one.

We need more than a corrupt two party system run by party bosses.Howard Dean has shown he could not even run the DNC,let alone the Country!

MaryAnne:

...I could care less about the party,I am concerned about my country and Obama is not experienced enough to be in charge...

So...what did you think of Bill Clinton's experience: Governor of a small, hillbilly state--spending most of his time cruising for chicks with his State Police posse? Experience enough for you?

Fact is, anyone today who can successfully run a major national campaign, and win against HIGH ODDS**--against someone with nearly unprecedented party backing, has all the experience necessary to put together and manage a white house team and run it at maximum efficiency. This should be obvious.

The "experience" thing is only really meaningful when one candidate is a presidential incumbent (and no, Hillary isn't one of those)--the incumbent has the experience, and more importantly, the VOTERS have four years of experience with how the white house was run (OK, please, no fair to mention GWB--but he only won because he had jesus backing him).

**And yes, Bill had THAT experience--more or less as strongly as Obama has it.

Last post, then I am calling it a day.

Denial? No, I voted for Obama. I think you are wrong and just can't let it go.

I don't believe there is "a frenzy" to their support - they just identify with her. Calling it "frenzy" is an insult.

Why do they identify with her? Maybe it's because like them, she chose to work through a bad marriage; or maybe because like them, she is mocked as unattractive; or maybe because like them, she chose to put her husband's career first; or maybe they are sensitive to the sexism she has dealt with; or maybe she made them proud to be a woman, or maybe they think she is a good mother, or maybe they just like her.

I know more Clinton supporters than Obama supporters. They don't need us to validate what they feel. They don't want us to judge their choices. Clinton's loss is not the biggest tragedy in their lives. They are very disappointed, but they've seen presidents and other leaders assassinated, and buried their parents, kids and husbands. They know they will be able to move on in a few days.

Do they like Obama. No. Will they vote for Obama? Maybe.

So instead of moving on and accepting that they supported another candidate, let's just judge them and denigrate them and get our petty revenge. Maybe we should tell Clinton supporters to move to the back of the Democratic Party bus.

Amazing.

So you simply REFUSE to address the issue of the threat to vote for McCain. Fine--as long as you stop trying to pretend you want a fair and open dialog on the issue. I'll remind you again that the OP asked WHY the discord. Your response: "Gee, what discord? Let's just pretend there wasn't any discord"

Hold on Ellen...you are hard to follow....

FROM YOUR POST: you have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement that gives you the illusion of a right to tell people what they have to do or else.

That was exactly the attitude that Hillary was projecting, and that Bill was saying! They both felt that Hillary had 'earned it, was entitled to it' and that was the way the voters should LOOK at it, and then vote for her.

Unfortunately, that back-fired on them, as people resent being told what they have to do.

All Obama has ever done, was promote and get his message of CHANGE out to the voters. It's hard to fault him for that, IMHO.

The DNC gave Hillary a lot of space, and room, but they finally got fed up with her (and with Bill's help, I'm sure) continually changing the 'rules' of the game.

Especially when she found herself in deep doo-doo.......from something as simple as changing the way the numbers were counted, to issues as important, as trying to change the rules for Florida and Michigan....which her FRIEND, MISTER Icke had helped put together, and which Hillary had AGREED to.

Gee, and I thought GW was the expert along those lines.

I lied, I didn't log off fast enough.

The question was why do Obama supporters want to drive away Clinton supporters?

You used the word "frenzy" to describe Clinton's supporters. I think you supported the premise of differentEllen with the insult. I don't think it is a frenzy. Sorry, I am also entitled to my observations.

Fellow Obama supporters want to exact a pound of flesh for injuries suffered during the primary. Why, so we can lose in Novermber but be morally superior to Clintonites? What a waste.

Time for peace.

Night, night.

The funny thing is that the things I have posted, and that changed my mind about Hillary, have all come straight from Hillary's mouth.

Other than that, I have not posted anything ab out Hillary that she didn't bring down on her head, herself.

Why? Because party unity and getting the Republicans out of the White House are my priorities, and I would vote for Hillary, had she won the nomination.

I, too, can understand the disappointment, but dwelling on it, isn't healthy...it doesn't change anything at all, and only serves to divide even more.

Dear differnetEllen (love the misspelling, btw) -

I don't think you got your negotiating points right.

For one thing, no Obama supporter has to or is in the position to negotiate anything with a Hillary supporter.

Secondly, you - as an assumed adult - have all the strength, fortitude and ability to make up your own mind. Why would anyone be negotiating with you for anything?

Thirdly, Senator Obama IS in fact talking with and working with Senator Clinton. That is the only thing that really matters.

Fourthly, no one with any sense of understanding starts off negotiating with a "compliment" or "common ground" or "stumbling blocks" .... those are things that caring people (such as friends or lovers or neighbors) talk about in order to maintain the relationship. I don't think we're there yet.

Fifthly, you move from negotiating to "offending the customer." WTF? What are you buying? What are Obama supporters selling?
You may have missed this but this is an election - not a sale at Macy's!

Sixthly, I hope that Hillary's supporters will end up being more like her and less like the caricatures that we all hate to see.

Be well.

Quite right on. Asking the "WHY" of all of this is an important function; thank you. And you have listed, perfectly, the things one NEVER does in good negotiations. All of which, indeed, the Obama "supporters" are doing every day, in every way.

Actually, one wonders if it's going to get worse now, now that he has been handed the Dem. nomination on a media and BLOG-driven "silver plate." Good post, thanks.

From Mary Anne: 'Obama is not experienced enough to be in charge.'

I remember when they said the same thing about John F. Kennedy. Who went on to do a greeat job, most of the time, until unfortunately, he was cut down, giving his life for our country AND our party.

We should probably go easy on the 'kids' out there, and instead give them all the credit they are do, for taking responsibility and interest....so unlike so many of the 'kids' today.

I admire those who are yearning, and trying to make a real difference.

It would be hard to get in their face, and say 'You don't have any experience to be in charge', with both you, yourself, and them, knowing and seeing FIRST HAND, the mess that 'experience' has us in, in our country today.

Not the best argument in the world, for trying to shove THEM asise, either.

No reason it SHOULD ge worse...IF the Hillary supporters can move past their loss.

Every contest has ONE WINNER! In this case it was Obama....not all are happy with that, but the 'one contest, only one winner' explains it all. Someone was going to be unhappy regardless.

But now it's time for unity...Pulling a load is a heck of a lot easier, with more hands helping.