Wow Debalee, just wow. So you think that the state of Ill. was blind to this all the time he served them at the state and national level? Do you think that the whole long primary that the Clinton campaign were never able to dig up proof of this?

He raised so much money by energizing regular Americans to donate small amounts of money. The average donor to his campaign is less then $100, but when you have millions of people donating it adds up fast, and they can keep donating month after month until they reach the cap. If you have 1,000,000 people donating $10 each you get $10,000,000.00. It is math not terrorism. And the bundled donaions have been looked at.

Also as to your suggestion of writing Sen. Clinton in. This is not in any women's best intrest. The next POTUS will most likey put at least 2 on the Supreme Court, do you really want to leave that up to the Republican's?

It may be hard for some Clinton supporters to get over the disapointment they feel, but in the end I think the majority realize that it is not fair to blame Obama for running a stellar campaign and the loss is on the shoulders of Hillary and the people she chose to run her campaign. There are far more important issues we face as a nation then disapointed hopes and dreams. McCain is looking to pick a fight with Iran, our vets of the current conflicts deserve the same benefits as the vets from WW2. McCain disagrees. And you won't be writing in HRC you are a republican looking to stir up controversy.

Isara71:

Also as to your suggestion of writing Sen. Clinton in. This is not in any women's best intrest. The next POTUS will most likey put at least 2 on the Supreme Court, do you really want to leave that up to the Republican's?

It may be hard for some Clinton supporters to get over the disapointment they feel, but in the end I think the majority realize that it is not fair to blame Obama for running a stellar campaign and the loss is on the shoulders of Hillary and the people she chose to run her campaign. There are far more important issues we face as a nation then disapointed hopes and dreams. McCain is looking to pick a fight with Iran, our vets of the current conflicts deserve the same benefits as the vets from WW2. McCain disagrees. And you won't be writing in HRC you are a republican looking to stir up controversy.

You are so right about the issues being more important than how I, or anyone else feels about 3 people (Obama, Clinton, McCain). You are so very wrong about people though.

I have a friend with a master's degrees that believed McCain is pro-choice. And his new plan to pull out of the war actually sounds more believable on the surface than Obama's plan. Couple that with many people's fear that Obama is a closet racist (I don't think I personally would go that far, but I'm seriously oncerned that mister new kind of politics spent his off-hours listening to a hate monger) and we have a real problem here.

And yes, people's ignorance makes me want to scream, but I can only educate one person at a time (my previously mentioned friend isn't voting McCain anymore). And there are ignorant and informed people in all walks of life... it's a big problem.

"Debalee wrote the following post at 06/04/2008 11:58 PM: I'd write in Hillary's name on the ballot. That's what every disgruntled Hillary supporter should do. Do not vote for Obama. He's the nexus of domestic terrorism and foreign terrorism: trace back the bundled donations. Where did he get so much money? Do not vote for Obama. Vote for Hillary. Write in her name. "


I don't think they let you bring crayons into the voting booth, Debalee.


I almost felt bad about my Crown Royal remark, until I read this. Clearly the tea party has already started for this "great lady." Scratch the feminist surface and the deranged racist bursts forth!

And NJ Gal, why don't we ask the 4000 dead American servicemen and women about how weak Obama's national security credentials are compared to the Hillary and McCain? I guess you're "weak" if you have the judgement to oppose a stupid farce of a war?

"Obama is not the candidate they are looking for. In fact he is their recurring nightmare; Obama represents the guy who was promoted over them because he was smooth, cool, etc. not because he did the hard work, paid his dues, and yes, waited his turn."

OK, so you don't like the guy. Fair enough. But voting for McCain proves what point exactly? That you're okay enough with what's going on in Iraq, the oil-dependent economy, the outsourcing, and health care to vote for McCain to show that you're unhappy? If so, that's pretty selfish. Someone threatening to vote for McCain needs to show me how he's closer to the Democratic platform than Obama.

Shoot, I was sore that Edwards didn't get more traction. From the start the media treated Hillary's nomination as a foregone conclusion, and that pissed me off. I wanted to learn more about Richardson, Dodd, Biden etc. to make an informed decision. Instead the race quickly became just about two people. And even though my horse didn't win, no way would I vote for someone who could so cavalierly joke about "another 100 years" in Iraq, who called his wife a c*nt (something any feminist should be upset about), and who voted against the GI Bill.

I know you're upset, but please think long and hard before voting for McCain. There are other, more constructive ways to get your point across. Give the guy a chance.

Gee, female_engineer, think you've ground your credentials in everyone's face enough? Perhaps you might share your salary with us too?

You're not doing females, engineers or otherwise, any favors by swinging that big chip on your shoulder around.

A lot of us have been in the trenches for a long, long, time. It just goes with the territory and isn't all about you.

female_engineer is on another thread complaining about jeremiah wright and how it makes her worry about Obama. Guess that an ivy league degree doesn't always mean high i.q.

I'm sure that most sane rational people aren't going to read her trying to win an argument by saying "I have an ivy league degree" and think less of women for that.

Hey Valmont - I went and found the post - - I thought she was more concerned about Swift Boating than anything else: "Unfortunately you make a valid point about Wright and the election. He hurts Obama a lot and it is naive to think that we won't be watching continuous Wright (and Michelle) Greatest Hits highlights - especially in OH, PA, TX, IN, TN, VA and FL."

After the stuff that Kerry, Gore, and Dukasis went through, I don't see any reason to believe that Obama won't get attacked in this manner. And rightly or wrongly, no pun intended, Wright and others have given the opposition some good material. Unfortunately negative attacks do work.

I voted for Obama, I want him to win, but that doesn't mean that these concerns don't have validity. Does that make me ignorant, too?

No really, just thank you!

Democrat '08

Democrats need to come together.

As an Obama supporter I don't see any point in creating further distance between Obama and Clinton supporters. It is not in the best interest of this party or this country for Democrats to remain divided.

There have been some things that Hillary Clinton's surrogates have said that really bothered me. And Hillary's speech on the night Obama earned enough delegates for the nomination grates my nerves a bit as well.

But it's over. The Democratic Primary is over.

I'm willing to put aside whatever slights I feel from Hillary's surrogates and supporters so that we can win this race.

I encourage other Obama supporters to do the same. Argue against lies and distortions, but let's leave the personal attacks for Republicans. Trust me, this is harder for me than you can imagine, but it's worth it.

Take the high road.

Considering that female_engineer considers a man with a harvard law degree an "empty suit" (sort of funny when she bragged about her own ivy league education) and wrote him off as "smooth," (in comparison to hillary clinton??) I'd say her concerns about jeremiah wright and michelle are more than just an honest fear about republican swift boating. And do you think the republican smear machine won't go into overdrive no matter who the nominee is? Do you seriously think we could pick a nominee that they couldn't attack? So, I'm sorry, but when I hear a person talking about how "concerned" they are about jeremiah wright, especially when they are holding Obama up to a much different standard than Hillary Clinton, I think its fair to question what kind of democrat they really are. Hillary Clinton is still blood red meat to those a$$holes, but if I heard somebody saying, "gosh, I love Hillary, but gee, those republicans will attack her so lets nominate a man instead" it wouldn't be hard to connect the dots.

I'm NOT a Obama supporter. I'm an anti-GOP person this election year.

But your entire rant was just BS. HRC was NOT the most qualified Dem candidate. Was she more qualified than Obama? I would say YES! But your BS point was that HRC was screwed because she was the most qualified and that just isn't true.

As I pointed out HRC wasn't the most qualified Dem women by a long shot. So BOTH Obama and HRC were given chances that more qualified Dems were NOT given.

Yea, life is unfair. Learn how to deal with this reality.

jazzguitarman:

I'm NOT a Obama supporter. I'm an anti-GOP person this election year.

Exactly! You couldn't be more right. A Democrat who doesn't feel this way (be it Obama supporter, Clinton supporter, or other), a dem who isn't voting AGAINST McCain (which means voting for a candidate who can win, who isn't McCain... ie Obama) must have yanked their personal beliefs sooooo far off the Dem platform that they should register Republican or Independent.

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@topazz:

After reading those "people," I think I'll have to wash my hands for a week. Clearly they moved on from Crown Royal to Thunderbird and a bottle of pills.

I know why I would have a hard time voting for Clinton if Obama had not won the nomination. But I have an edge, living in a state that pretty much guarantees that if I stay home, it won't hurt. But I wouldn't. And I would never vote for McCain.

I think it is a very valid question that no one has come close to answering it. Most of the people who have seem to be dyed in the wool Obama supporters or Clinton supporters who have already made the switch or a few agent provocateurs from the McCain side.

Where are the genuine Hillary supporters who are so angry that they would vote for the antithesis or her campaign? Well if I can't have her, you can't have him? It's like a weird love triangle.

And if I sound flip, I'm really not. I'm just really, really confused.

The question is as Hillary posited Tuesday and can be expanded: What do Hillary supporters want? What is it they always wanted?