click on your nic here, and it'll take you to all of your posts (your mbtu as we call it) and scroll down to find the top post that started this thread, and you'll see the number of views. Now its up to over 5300.

I know you didn't deliberately set up a provocative title - I wasn't being snarky - but that title is drawing them in like flies to honey nevertheless. Nothing wrong with that, because in this case its a really interesting thread with some in-depth replies, and all to your credit.

Wow... almost sounds like the same woman that chased after 'K' but LCW didn't have any daughters. LCW was definitely a predator in that sense. I made reference to "k' that LCW wanted to have a fling before having the baby with her partner (her partner carried the baby). 'k' would come to her defense a lot. There was some committment issues with LCW. She was into lesbian porn too (this info was shared by my wife 'k') Another reason why porn is not good. Well, that was then.

Thanks again for the openess and honesty. I hope this is all helpful to women and men. To me, the bigger enemy is within not the other sex

I need help on this one.... 32 female, 2 amazing kids, stunning husband, happy life and marraige, and I am madly falling in love with a woman. Me and my husband had some ups and dows, but mostly normal stuff. I know what I should do, but really do not know how... and most of the time I don't want to do the right thing.

This is not me, but I can identify with the journey of self discovery and self worth as you mentioned, maybe this is my motivation, I don't know. Even so, I know I do not want it to end, because it has only started and I just don't want to let go yet. I know I will someday, but for now, I just can't.

I am stuck, by choice. And, the only thing I can think of, is that this is making me a terrible mother.

I need help on this... I am stuck in the same way as you describe here, but still early stages. I just cannot do the blog thing, it feels to revealing.

Can some one please email me at ladibloo@yahoo.com? I know I must be mad putting an email address for everyone to see, but I honestly need to talk to some one that has gone through this.

art:

It could be quite an ego boost if you are in need of it. This post was exceptional by any stetch of the imagination. You are in rarerfied altitudes with this post; but, so were you with the one you posted on BOTF which drew many stories. Personally while this topic is different and draws quite a bit of attention, the other one drew people out to talk with meaning and stories. I have not seen that happen in a while.

Remember what I said above. If not, go read my last post to you.

High Five right back atcha!

Hello. I surfed over this rare topic tonight, and thought I'd leave a note for posterity, since this thread is still somewhat active, and since this is the only worthwhile page on the subject.

The other country here: I'm a single lesbian, somewhat in love with a married woman. I'm not an LCW, not a stalker, not trying to get her to leave her miserable marriage, and I don't want to steal her - we're not partner material - but I can feel like a hot brand that she longs for the experience of making love with another woman, as a means of loving Women, loving herself, loving me, and learning new things.

(Not her fault she's extraordinarily appealing - smart, beautiful, a stunningly gifted mother, talented, kind, courageous, and extremely intuitive. She gets what makes me tick, she's the best "click" I've had in twenty years as friends go (you know - bang! you're heart to heart, mind to mind), and we do one another much good. I love women passionately, and I'm the one that fell, but she opened this extraordinary connection; she needs to be close to a woman-loving-woman. One long weekend with her would probably be exactly right for her to get the experience and for me to pour it out on her, with her, and be relieved, sated, resolved. Then distill it, with affection and conversation, into a mutually loving bond, and let her get back to healing or ending her really sorry marriage - having experienced both receiving and giving pure female erotic agency, being equally receptive and active; and being regarded as a moral, spiritual, sexual, emotional, intellectual equal, having that radiated into her very bones, her sex, her body and Being.

Yum.

Then she can negotiate her marriage from a much stronger Self.

And I know not to make a mess in her life, and not to break my own heart - thank god for maturation [but oh, the heart wants what it wants. Bless us all.])

I love the comments I've read here, and I'm touched by RJ and artansoul's conversation. You sound like sane, loving people. My take is: let your wife explore, if you have / had a strong relationship in the past, (and if you don't/ didn't, maybe you do need to reshape your relationship; maybe she will leave). She WILL fall in love with the Other Woman (that would be me) but only for a little while - 3 years MAX, more like 6 months or so, and then it ripens into something else - sweet, heady, but best kept in the cupboard, taken out on special occasions, sipped for the remembrance of the intoxication, and put up again fondly.

Oooh, I'm a lovely amantillado.

If you are patient, patient, patient, if you love each other and have all the things marriage takes besides love, and you stay married, this absolutely can enhance your relationship. Personally I think everyone should experience intimacy and passion with their own sex as well as the other, just to be complete. It's nice to get a tune up from someone that owns a car. If you can share the experience somehow - yum.

Also, I get vibed/hit on by married women (I'm single, kinda sexy, and safe) who just crave great sex without the prick that's attached to the penis - if you'll excuse a little humor at your expense, guys. And really, we all need to be "womanned" on once in a while, no? That's the need, the Urge, if you will, and I get it from other women besides my golden friend. I think the entire world needs to be loved by, and to adore, The Feminine. I know I do.

Here's to love and reason manifesting at the same time.

Are you now divorced? If my wife told me that she had fallen in love with anyone else, she would be packing in ten minutes and single the next hour. If the someone else was another woman, she would have lost custody rights in the battle. I have many friends whose wives did what you did while they had children. It was devastating to everyone involved. It is an act of supreme selfishness and dishonesty.

In matters of marriage and raising a family, you do not have the right to betray your family and then get absolved as if nothing ever happened. I am no prude but there is a line and you crossed it.

For your reading pleasure I suggest The Scarlet Letter or The Crucible.

You take care.

If you're in an open marriage, big deal. Good for you, you sexy thing!

If you're not, you're a selfish pig. You hurt your family, you demeaned yourself.

Love lives are meaningful. Sure. So is helping a kid, pursuing knowledge of human nature, building just about anything. The fuss you make about an affair makes you sound radically shallow.

Anyone wonder why this happes?

My guess?

Because they're not getting this sort of love from men who are either too "macho" to show it, or too emotionally castrated by PC to act like men should; strong, assertive, ect. and wind up being de-facto geldings.

No, jackass, ignoring your wife's emotions tears does not make you strong; it means you're too much of a man child to care more about your own cock.

I also read an National Review article on this same issue where a woman was stating how nice it was to have someone open the door for her, take care of her ect. These are things men used to be expected to do for women.

Thing is, men have often been discouraged to STOP doing these things because it's "sexist". "I can get my own door! I can take care of myself, I don't NEED you! How DARE you treat me like a weakling, you pig!"

Chivilry is dead because it's sexist, right?

To hell with that macho and/or PC crap. I hold the door for my wife, pay for dates, and listen to her talk about her feelings. It doesn't make me "pussy whipped" or a "sexist pig".

I blame this on emotionally insecure "macho" guys and bitter feminists.