baltimore aureole:

no candidate has a majority of delegates yet. let the process complete itself.

obama could screw up in a major way, and hillary end up looking like the savior (there IS a lot we don't know about obama, to be sure)

i'm kind of betting there's no skeleton in obama's closet, and he will win the nomination.

but we should let the process complete. will the superdelegates show their contempt for the voters, and install hillary as the nominee?

the american people need to see how the democratic party functions in its hour of darkness.

if they can't run their own internal processes rationally and fairly, should we trust them with the nation?

let the process work . ..

Thanks ba. That's what I think too. Let the process work itself through.

Though I know you are not a democrat, for democrats, many of us 2000 was a terrible injustice. Many felt the state of Florida should have been allowed to continue to work out the issues over the butterfly ballot and miscounted votes there without having their own legal powers usurped by the U.S. Federal Supreme Court.

I just think Florida in particular will not easily accept a simple cursory comprimise and patronizing reserved seat at the Convention unless it believes it is genuinely enfranchised.

No matter how loud Dean screams at them that 'Rules are Rules' the people who work for the democratic party in Florida know all about how the DNC has the power at any moment when there is such a close race, to alter the Rules' and ensure their votes and primary counts.

So, that's Dean's big problem right now.

No one could have predicted that the race would be this close.

Therefore, they do need to find a way to make sure the will of all who took the time to vote, are represented fairly in the final tally.

Hi ThPaine. well they don't have that much control over the DNC or they (The Clintons) wouldn't be in this suituation fighting for the nomination so hard...though, you are of course right,

in that they have some input,being that have been

big power brokers in the party,by virtue of who they are for so long now.

But they don't run the DNC at all.

It was Dean and Donna Brazil mainly who decided to front load this primary season for diverstity.

As I posted before,that is fine.

All well and good..but when doing so they did (Dean and Brazil) know that they were putting two key states likely to go for Clinton in a most untenable and most difficult position and in a spot that would make it almost impossible for them to easily comply with.

That's the thing that was wrong with what Dean and Brazil did. That's why HRC does have a case legally if she really wants to play dirty and take the DNC all the way to court on it.

Let's hope some how some way it all gets straightened out before it gets even worse of a mess than it currently is.

Are you calling me a "BOTF Obama-maniac thug?" because I support Sen. Obama? Let's see, am I an untermensch to your ubermensch because I support Senator Obama?

Oh, I know, I know, it takes more than myself prattling on here to have any affect on your hysteria, it's just too much fun for you to spew, isn't it?

YOU have been hysterically repeating, ad nauseam, on this board how you are going to vote (as if anyone on this earth actually gave a damm who you voted for in this one man, one vote system) You have hysterically been threatening to vote for McCain, (who cares?)
You keep changing the goal posts, just like the Clintons. NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE here has even begun to dictate to you how to vote and you know it. Quite of opposite is the case, ALL of the threats and innuendo and bullying has come from YOU!
It's clear to me, you like to hear the sound of your own voice, over and over and over again.

thats so true. i'm not a republican either, but when viewed through the left of center prism of BOTF, i seem like one.

i would vote for obama if he made just 2 committments:

1. no new taxes during his term. concentrate on spending our current taxes more equitably
2. an objective test of school vouchers, rather than mindless opposition by the school bureaucracy

thats all it would take for obama to get my vote.

for hillary, it would take a little more, but its not out of the question. in addition to the above 2 pledges, she'd have to say something about a committment to transparency and openness in her administration that would be convincing. that's a high hurdle, since she's surrounded by some of the most conniving, deceitful political operatives in existence right now. she needs to reinvent herself as transparent and honest and responsive to the will of the people.

Thanks for that insight into your political stance,ba.

I have to agree with you that viewed through the left of center prism of BOTF you do come off as quite moderate.

As far as HRC goes..oh, they are all so dirty, really ...The Clintons, Obama, all of them...he is no saint either...I pretty much believe that it's over for her, though.

Because the DNC is pressuring the super delegates so hard to close the gap for Obama and force her to quit.

So, they'll annoit Obama and he will summarily lose big to McCain in November...but the DNC will have protected itself from a Convention vote challenge and expose' fiasco by Hillary Clinton.

That's the best the DNC can do ,at this point. To just try and preserve what's left of the party and not allow HRC to expose all the dirty dealings that go into the 'set ups' and deal making of these elections, behind the scenes.

People get so caught up in this stuff but really everyone knows both the DNC and the GOP are two sides of the same power broking coins.They are both bought and paid for.

For me as a democrat it will be just be great to see the end of this eight hard years with GW Bush.

thx again for you post.appreciate it.

His lawyers were in the HEADLINES, fighting the revote effort in Michigan, please! While I admire your loyalty, I guess, to this fellow, please get realistic. Just GOOGLE "Obama's lawyers fight Michigan DEM. recount" and see how many items come up. The third one down, at least a/o Tuesday, even names BO's chief counsel, a Bob Biers, I believe and goes into some detail as to how thoroughly Obama was fighting the idea of giving the Michigan democrats an opportunity to vote in a DEM. PRIMARY there. My guess? He prob. spent $ 50 - $ 200,000 fighting the recount. truth be told, he is now the ANTI-DEMOCRACY Democrat, Ducster. Please, do your homework next time, ok? p.s. As for the existence of any Clinton machine," it's pretty clear at this point that it's Mr. BOBAMA who has the MACHINE. He has paid staffers working in the Chicago HQ, round the clock -- literally 24/7. Theya re NOT volunteers acc'g. to a TV news report I saw last month on his effort.

Very well done indeed Laurie!! You've made some interesting points!

Dave

and thanks for the up rate. That was nice of you.

I see that our Hillary is beating McCain in the Natl. Polls now 48% to his 43%. And she currently even leading Obama in Inidiana! by at least three points now! Miracles can happen...

: )

but all you subcscibers to the Dean Brazile plot theory forget a couple of small important details.

The rules were made and broken in January,Obama wasn't running in January.

Brazile is supporting HRC in the election....

And Bosnia is an "implosion" that the Republicans will get more out of than anything else.The implosion is happening to HRC,read the Pa.Polls.

Liars....get caught,this one did,on tape.

"All well and good..but when doing so they did (Dean and Brazil) know that they were putting two key states likely to go for Clinton in a most untenable and most difficult position and in a spot that would make it almost impossible for them to easily comply with."

Reading, Mass.: Ms. Brazile, as a superdelegate, how do you see your role in the convention? What factors if any should a superdelegate consider in their independent role?

Donna Brazile: Thanks. I was appointed to the Democratic National Committee in 1998 for one of the at-large positions and reappointed in 2001 and in 2005. My seat will be up in 2009, and I have no clue if I will seek reappointment.

I see my superdelegate status with both pride and humility. Although we are independent and can remain uncommitted, support a candidate today, back away tomorrow, I have no intents on "picking" a date with either candidate.

As chair of the party's Voting Rights Institute, I wish to be fair to all parties -- although I have my own biases and cannot control the enthusiasm I often express when I see record and historic turnout of young people, women, minorities and other unaffiliated voters. Hey, I confess to being inspired by the possibility of the first female or first black as President. When Edwards was still in the race, he also inspired me because of his stance on eradicating poverty. He's also a Southerner, and I am a native of Louisiana.

Thus, I will not cast my ballot in the primary phase of the contest, but will wait until the convention. I would like to help "unite" the party and not take sides.
I like both Clinton and Obama. If Clinton wins, I will back her 100 percent; if Obama wins, I will campaign every chance I get. But until you the people decide, I am going to stay put for now. I did the same in 2004, but as you know, in 2000 I backed Al Gore for president.

It's about you in 2008 -- and after hurricanes Katrina and Rita, it's about the people down along the Gulf Coast states who still are suffering who I will think about when casting my vote. And those losing their homes to foreclosure, and our brave men and women in uniform. It's about the American people and not just the candidates. We need to select a strong, gracious and sincere leader in 2008.

Thankyou Lunesta,

It is so annoying to argue with obamanites about this.

Lunesta:

`snip` His lawyers were in the HEADLINES, fighting the revote effort in Michigan, please! `snip` BO's chief counsel, a Bob Biers,`snip` Obama was fighting the idea of giving the Michigan democrats an opportunity to vote in a DEM. PRIMARY `snip he is now the ANTI-DEMOCRACY Democrat

Oh...haven't you heard Obama has declared that "Hope" has taken the place of intellectual discourse. Obamanites don't have to do homework!

Please, do your homework next time, ok? p.s. As for the existence of any Clinton machine," it's pretty clear at this point that it's Mr. BOBAMA who has the MACHINE. He has paid staffers working in the Chicago HQ, round the clock -- literally 24/7. Theya re NOT volunteers acc'g. to a TV news report I saw last month on his effort.

Fabulous, girl. Couldn't agree more with each of your very salient points. Very nicely written. And congrats on the well-deserved checkmark! WOOT.

:-)

Congratulations Laurie Ann!

You may want to check Arkady's post on KFS about how Hillary is winning.This was from Salon,one of the very few sites that are honest.