If being the wife of a president qualifies Hillary to be prez, then why not vote for Laura Bush? I think she had to work harder at being the wife of an asshole president than Hillary did. Just a thought.

By doing so, you will ensure a win for McCain. Think about it.

Sorry Valmont - missed the sarcasm, maybe too much Canadian Club?

Well, I'm not a dog.

You seem to be judging more association (which if you know big city life) is hard not to be connected to some characters whose reputation are less than savory. Ayers is even as a mere acquaintance from the neighborhood. Rezko, after years of searching for any connection, there is no evidence of malfeasance of we would have already heard about it.

As for Wright, you sound like a church going citizen. Now, what if you preacher who you have come to know and respect as a person for bringing you to religion? Not to politics, but to carrying about the disenfranchised around us. Spiritual. Then political remarks made by your minister were blasted on YouTube to try and discredit you. How quickly would it take for you to throw him under the bus? Or would you try to explain his political leanings, even if you disagree with them to try and help him?

And finally, do you and your friends agree on every single issue?

Okay not finally. Just because they were Democrats does not mean they were liberal. they were for "states' rights" and those states' rights (including slavery) were guaranteed in the Constitution until those pesky big government Republicans came along.

Teddy Roosevelt and his Republican Party believed in corporate responsibility that Reagan and his Republican Party were railing about. It was with FDR introduced social responsibilty in the 30s then Kennedy and Johnson finally finishing the transition in the 60s that social and fiscal liberalism moved together into one party. Goldwater losing in 1964 with Nixon taking over the party reins brought the Dixiecrats into the fold of the Republicans.

Some Dixiecrats rejected their backwards thinking like Byrd, regretting his earlier days as an ignorant young man while others like Strom Thurmond knew the only way to keep his views intact made the leap to the Republicans.

So those "Liberal" Democrats you speak of who started the KKK, they are now of your party.

I missed a couple point. McCain's associations with Keating and Diamond are about his abuse of power to help them. He wasn't just having dinner with them or showing up at the same places. Farakahn's endorsement was rejected out of hand by Obama; Hagee's was sought after by McCain.

Eh, you’re jumping the gun. I vote according to many issues, but abortion is an important one for me. I care about foreign policy, the military budget, social programs, education, taxes, health care, gay marriage and other special rights for gays and lesbians, stem cell research, free market capitalism, free trade, immigration, the Arab-Israeli conflict, gun rights, homeland security, the Cuban embargo, the military commissions act, anti-terrorism and domestic surveillance, crime, education, the environment, prayer in public schools, and entertainment (movies, music, books, the Internet) censorship.

On most of these issues I disagree with Obama and Clinton and they are a deciding factor in whom I vote for.

I also care a great deal about character, values, standards, behavior, and experience.

Cassandra

But I’m neither a fear-monger nor a neo-con, but rather a pure conservative who’s smart enough and experienced enough to know when to duck and run and when to shoot them between the eyes. But thank you for explaining the usage of the word “newz”

Cassandra

The fact that Obama is black is irrelevant. However the fact that he’s inexperienced, naïve, ignorant, and has made friends with some thoroughly despicable people is not.

He's "smooth" like a snake oil salesman. Thanks, but no thanks.

Cassandra

First of all, follow the strings. I have never even addressed f_e on this. Most of my post have been in answer to other posters, mostly bananaboat.

Can you show me one rant I've had on this string. Sure, I've gotten pissed off in the Fray, mainly at the republicans in Clinton supporters' clothing.

And yes, I have made fun of Clinton, but never through sexism, more about the way she has damaged her standing with non-Clinton supporters.

As to Chicago politics, if you are so familiar with it, then how can you agree with Obama being an empty suit (f_e term) since you know that anyone that steps into that meat grinder better know exactly how to handle himself in a knife fight. And it is extraordinary. How many Chicago politicians have bee spit out of office into prison because they took the easy road. It's extraordinary that he has done this way, don't you think?

That was my intention, calling into question the charge that Obama may be a good speaker but not a great politician. And look, Hillary has not won as many elections as Obama has and her races in New York was won in the urban centers rather than with the vote she now claims to have control of.

I can do it all, bananahead. I can bake, cook, garden, remodel a house, manage a business, and build a mean nuclear weapon. But my credentials are not important nor is anyone interested in what I can do. It's a lesson you should learn; no one is interested in you, only your ideas. However, you seem to realize that your ideas cannot stand on their own so you must constantly pimp yourself. How sad.

I also understand the virtue of succinctness. So in one short sentence:

Get over yourself.

There are very few reasons to vote for Obama. I know I sure can’t think of any. We can pick a moderate Republican that has a long reputation of being able to reach across the political aisle and work with Democrats or we can pick an uber liberal Democrat with strong friendships, personal and business relationships with known criminals, racists, radicals, and supporters of domestic and Islamic terrorism against the united states. Hillary would have protected the country and loves the United States. The same cannot be said of Obama. For me it’s an easy choice.

Economic professors and historians have compared Obama’s economic plans to those of Jimmy Carter, and if you were alive back then or you’ve read the history then you know that his presidency was a mess. Do we really want a repeat of Jimmy Carter?

McCain 08

Cassandra

It’s the difference between someone that has served in the military, understands how to fight a guerilla war, and has a couple decades of foreign policy experience verses someone with no military service, no understanding of combat, and no experience with foreign policy. Do we really want a rookie at the wheel? I know I don’t.

McCain 08

Cassandra

Shank you.

pig:

You didn't address the issues of my post which was more about Female_Engineer than Clinton or Obama. She drew a parallel between the two, in which case she is correct; women have to clear higher hurdles than men.

Never said that Obama was an empty suit, I did question how much we know of him in comparison to Clinton. All of Clinton's past has been hanging out for examination in comparison. F_E may feel Obama is an empty suit when compared to Clinton because of the totality of information available on Clinton and past areas of discrimination against women. Clinton has come under a greater scrutiny than Obama because of her past and in either case each has limited themselves to the media. In case you have forgotten, winning the major states with the major urban cities with a diverse population is still the name of the game. No candidate has gone to the White House without winning those states.

The one thing about Chicago politics is once you are in, you are in, as long as you pay homage to the mayor and want the job. A few Congressmen have even retired to become aldermen there. It is not as hard as you think.

The initial post had nothing to do with you and was not addressed to you; but yet, you felt obliged to answer it.

But not all Hillary supporters hate Obama any more than all Obama supporters hate Hillary.

So if you're going to ask that question directed solely at Hillary supporter, well, you're a hypocrit, because significant percentages, though admitedly smaller, of Obama supports said they would never vote for Hillary and even vote for McCain if Obama had lost.

The larger question we should be asking here is why is there such an undercurrent of racism and gender bias still swilling around the bottom of the Democratic party? And I'm talking racism on all sides, not just bad old whitie.