Patrick's been complaining that I'm not emotive enough--guess you just can't please everyone.

:) I didn't mean you. Them u'vers.

I know, we have to eat though, so we go for the best we can :) Sainsburys refuse to tell what they wash their organic friut and veg in for eg ..... some say that Fair Trade is good others say its bad ? Since we've been in the EU all fruit and veg have to be a standard size! ( The Dutch ) we have lost many of our lovely English apples 'cos they are illegal :) under EU rulings ........ but we have to eat girl :)

My poor little sis has a terrible time, being a very fussy vegan now a days ......then she goes on a bender and has a cream bun !!!!!

I know that the workers piss in the bread mixes in ( unnamed ) factories, I used to know some who did it .......... hey its cooked piss :)

Bits of rat are always being found in food .......... always have been :)

The laws are not as stringent or as lax in some cases as we might wish ....... sadly I think we are more likely to find bits of little field mice in tinned peas that rats, I love field mice sooo sweet. ( I hate it when they decide to move into the house 'cos then I have to be mean )

State Flu Pendemic Legislation 2009 , typing in that, got me too, though It doesn't want to be linked.

( I hate it when they decide to move into the house 'cos then I have to be mean )

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Me too....had to call in pest control after I saw a cute li'l guy scampering across drawing room couple of weeks ago. And they trapped him :(

If they weren't quite so destructive, I'd have liked to keep 'em and feed 'em cheese...................

I like li'l furry creatures. My backyard would be a chipmunk haven f it wasn't for the $#@***$$### neighboring cats ! Am going to buy a water gun.

They used to play my piano in the last place !!!!! Every one thought it was my mothers ghost, me too til I lifted the to play, I never told on them but I did rehouse them, it was sweet and funny but ....... the piano was ruined.

Too much poison around here for the rats, after the harvest, for the little things to survive.

Cats can be a terrible prob for a gardener :) I know. Now with my hounds, a nice garden in the back ?...... no way.

>>In the studies which found squalene could cause autoimmune responses in laboratory animals they were dosing the animals with extremely high concentrations--much higher than normally circulating and much, much higher than the amount you'd receive on immunization--even if you had mutliple immunizations over a short period of time.

Ah.

>>If you ever find any actual evidence I'd love to see it.

Kay.

"I haven't totally ruled it out. It's on the back burner remember?"

"Yeah, vaccines contain methylmercury, fish contains ethylmercury, not mercury."

>>Thimerosal is an organomercuric compound but it doesn't contain methyl mercury; it's metabolized to produce either ethylmercury or thiosalicylate. It's methylmercury that fish accumulate fand which poses serious health risks.

Oh wait, you're right. Looked my reference up. Ethylmercury in vaccines; methylmercury in fish.

>>The same mechanism by which all other antibodies are produced, nothing unique. Exposure to an antigen, response and production of antibodies against it, and non-specific recognition by those antibodies of homologous epitopes on molecules other than the original antigen. Such cross-reactivity is quite common.

I think it's more complex than that. A lot of it has to do with glycoprotein production. If you don't have enough galactose for example the Fc portion of the the rheumatoid factor antibodies change. When your start putting that essential sugar back into your diet, it's therapeutic and you can either reverse the disease or lessen its severity. Since I know you'll bellyache about a reference *winks*, I'll just give you one this time. J. Nature Medicine 1995, 1:237 --> RA patients have less galactose, replacing it leads to remission. Same deal applies with fucose, which reference I'll save for now. (Gotta have you always "wanting more" after all? *winks*)