This Daily Kos study shows that Obama is ready now and boy do we ever NEED him now. Do not buy the lie that he is "inexperienced"--that is the resort of lazy or deceptive people who are desperate for Hillary to win--why I do not know--maybe they figure to get a job out of her or something.

It's not a lie, he is inexperienced.
And when you say, boy do we need him now, do you know what you mean?

i am a democrat not muslim. a vote for obama is a vote for osama.i will vote for mccain if i have to.

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Of course they will! After Hillary loses Texas and Ohio, she'll stand behind him. She can't rock her financial boat quite yet, but when there's no possible way to put a spin on how badly she's losing to him, she'll do the right thing.

It looks to me like Hillary is doing most of the shitting. That aside, I don't think the Dem party will lose the votes of older white working class people to the Reps if Obama is the nominee. As an older white woman, I am for Obama. At the risk of sounding elitist, I think the older white working-class mentality, liberal or conservative, has controlled the national agenda about long enough. I welcome young voters and the intelligencia. Let's follow their lead for a change.

what shitting are you referring to?

Why do you not think that the Dem party will not lose votes of older white working class people to the reps if Obama is the nominee?

I think the older white working-class mentality, liberal or conservative, has controlled the national agenda about long enough.

Since the only thing you have defined is based on race not on class, what you risked is sounding racist, which it is.

I welcome young voters and the intelligencia. Let's follow their lead for a change.

A rounding call that only an obamakin could make.

Not very logical, but encompassing the major obamakin traits of reason free, emotion filled, youth oriented racism.

definition of intelligentsia "to be those well-educated members of the population who undertake to lead the people as scholars, teachers, clergy, engineers, and who guide for the reason of their higher enlightenment. "

I can certainly appreciate the ardor of obamakins, while also appreciating the caution of hillarians.

Cautious because older voters have been this happy whoo ha route before. Unless you are from the 60s and are blithely hopeful that a new LSD free love era is imminent then you are from the 70s and now know that Papa Brady was gay, and that Peter would be divorced 3 times. Let the good times roll.

I'm skeptical. I know that Generation X is a split group. I wasn't old enough to vote for Carter but I do remember some of the chaos that was America during his reign. Now we have a new candidate that is a fresh face, who was vetted by the Kennedy's known for their saavy testing of the momentum of the political waters. What should have been a swift victory for Hillary became a campaign quagmire equal to the RFK race before it's fatal conclusion.

Obama and his self-interest has split the DNC, not a terribly cohesive group on it's best hair days anyway. The middle of the DNC switches Rep to Dem depending on how left or right their party and the platform goes.

Obama is unique in that he encompasses Wallstreet Economics with Left wing foreign policy. Hence the term fasco-liberal, which is simply a descriptive term and one that is apt.

He voted against Hillary on the Housing crises in Feb of 2008 in favor instead of counselors to help the distressed and probable evicted mortgagees.

In the Chicago debates of 2007 he advocated a forceful strike against Afghanistan without diplomacy. Something that Hillary came out against.

Obama is far from Progressive except that he is not yet 50. The label is applied to him because he is an unknown quantity.

His affiliation with Brezezinski places him firmly into the Carter year style anti-communism, tough on Israel, terrorist filled years, replete with US sanctioned overthrow of the Shah of Iran and placement of the Islamic Fundamentalist Ayatollah. Brezezinski's agenda is tough on China and Russia, control of oil is seen via the Sudan not as much Iraq, and the focus would be on Afghanistan.

I'm not really into the Carter years. Jimmy and Billy, Grandma Lily were cute, but otherwise no thanks.

This whole US thing of you hit 50 and you hand over the reins to the next generation is stupid. People are living into their 90s now, the retirement age of 65 is being raised. I'd be surprised if it did not reach 75.

The real issue is population. Effective population controls are birth control, abortion, male selective life and war.

Good point. I agree.

I am lukewarm towards Obama himself, he seems boring with no leadership quality to me, but his supporters really push me towards hating his entire movement or cult or whatever.

And I wish they would please stop making up corny words with his name in it: Obamaniac, Obamacrat, Obamessiah...Just stop it...

Merc,

This is truly hilarious -- especially coming from you.

BTW

Speaking for those of us on the Obama side, we aren't exactly thrilled when Clinton supporters call us a "cult," either.

Yeah, I wrote this post months ago. Months and months and months ago. That was before I was worn out by the absolutely storm of endless inanity that I read everyday. I was civil for a very long time, but there's only so much energy you can spend on reasonable discourse when everyone else insists on acting like deaf, brain-dead children. So...I got meaner.

Of course, I subjected myself to the Fray so I can only blame myself, but I've fallen off of the discussion in the last month or so and have to admit, my mood has improved.

Dausuul:

Speaking for those of us on the Obama side, we aren't exactly thrilled when Clinton supporters call us a "cult," either.

Then don't act like a cult.

By the way, who knew that a post I made back in February would turn out to actually be a real situation? I predicted that Obama would have a difficult time, in February, getting Clinton supporters on board with him. And it turned out to be correct!

Weird.

The thing you don't hear much talk about is the majority of voters, which is the independents. If somebody comes out of the wings at even a late date it won't matter whether Hillary or Obama on McCain is running. We are all waiting for a "real" person of the people to come forth and toss down the gauntlet.

We have a real person, that is Obama we need changes and that is what us

American have see.