arrogant." Pfui to the lot of you.

Lunesta:

...Pfui to the lot of you.

Hm. This passes for reasoned debate 'round these parts? Thanks for trying to engage on a matter of substance. Please try again soon.

Following the DNC's announcement that it would totally void all Florida primary votes, Hillary gave a speech--which I watched on TV, in which she stated that she would respect the DNC's decision ("follow the rules") and also that she would honor the "pledge" to not campaign in Florida demanded by Democratic Party officials in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. She said she was taking those steps because "Iowa is about ideas."

Now, back up and recall that Florida changed its primary date because its voters hadn't mattered in a primary since George Wallace was on the ballot and because Florida was damn tired of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina mattering the most in the process to choose the two major party candidates. We felt that those predominantly white homogeneous states had no special claim on "mattering." Florida was quite openly asserting that it would no longer cooperate with the system whereby political operatives decide which state's primary voters get to matter most. We don't regret that decision here--not today, not in four years when the same policy will govern.

And here was Hillary........pandering to Iowa voters by cooperating with Florida's disenfranchisement, shunning Florida voters and implying that we swamp-dwelling, gator wrestlers never have ideas.

Hillary like Obama continued to sneak in the state and collect big contributor checks while shunning the voters, until the the primary vote was over and then she said it'd be nice if the vote counted--as she'd won handily.

Let's be real? Do you think she'd have started defending our right to have our votes counted if Obama had won the Florida and Michigan primaries? We didn't matter to her when defending our votes would have cost her un-disenfranchised votes in tiny, little cow-crap Iowa.

Should we believe she really cares now?

Naw....I give her no more credit than I give that scoundrel Obama. And I'd have voted for either of them if they just hadn't assented to, cooperated with and condoned my disenfranchisement.

I hope I'd feel the same if it wasn't vote but somebody else's.

It ain't a punishment thing. I just think when you vote for somebody you should have a scintilla of respect for him or her. You shouldn't expect "change" when the agent of change behaves with the same ruthless self-interest as those who brought the stagnant status quo. What's stagnant is the values of the people "rising" to the "top" of this political process.

Let's have laws that establish one-person one-vote as the manner for all primary elections and maybe we won't have to relive this particular nightmare.

Maybe the Dems can pick a nominee who didn't participate in the disenfranchisement of two major swing states. It is plausably the only way for them to win in November.

I thought it stunk.

Your states screwed you, not Obama. Either play by the rules or throw them out the door, what type of person are you? If you are a Dem you are definitely a Hillary supporter. Good luck with resurrecting the 90s, at least she has the vast experience of meeting lots of other first ladies, worldwide.

"Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in midlife; it is dismissed in old age and reconsidered in death — because we cannot tolerate greatness in our midst, we do all we can to destroy it." - Lady Morella, in "Babylon 5"

I watched the whole speech (about 35 min long) and I gotta say--"Well done!"

Absolutely incredible and moving. No wonder he has such a reputation as a great orator!

It didn't bring tears to my eyes-- I guess I just have too thick a skin, but it made me hope that we could move forward in addressing many of the key challenges we face.

That is even though I disagree with Obama's campaign on some of the issues.

I agree, although I have not yet seen the full speech, only select sound bites.

I honestly cannot say that anything the good reverend said was out of line, under the circumstances -- in fact I agree with much of it, in context. The point is, that at this time, what seems to be needed, for the country as a whole, as well as for our race relations, if to move beyond the grievances that divide us, to focus on what unites us as Americans, and that seems to be Obama's strength.

Issywise,

I think that it is past time for you to confess that you are nothing more than a shill for Hillary Clinton.

You continue to post long-winded rants about democracy and having your vote counted. You claim to be an Independent, yet you have no concern for the similarly disenfranchised Republican voters in Florida.

You just want Hillary to win and you don't really give a damn how she does it.

Now you claim Obama has a brother who is a terrorist.

Don't you think maybe some white preachers down south preached a few negative things about them thar niggers needing to stay in their place while you good ole boys went out and beat and lynched your fellow Americans because they were black?

Don't you think that might have made a few of your Black neighbors a bit testy?

You have made up your mind to hate everyone who is not a republican and call all Democrats traitors and other such nonsense. And now you have the simple minded audacity to claim he has a brother who is a terrorist.

Jack you are nothing but a bald faced liar who uses bald faced lies to incite hatred and divisiveness within your own country. Beside the word blight or perhaps the word canker in the dictionary there should be a half page color photograph of you.

Good post,

Althought don't expect much in agreement from the hillary supporters. I am sure they enjoyed multiple orgasims when Obam's old preacher was called out. Wonder how many of Clintons supporters would have felt had they grown up in an age where their fellow countrymen who were like lthemselves could be murdered in broad daylight because of the color of their skin and police would do nothing.

Hell Clinton supporters whine like spoiled schoolgirls when a person they like is simply called a name. This man watched his fellow man be murdered simply because they had the audacity to be alive. I think he has a right to be testy and to sometimes say a cross word or three. the hypocrits are the closet racists who expect all black people to pretend the brutal racism in this country never existed and that everything is all roses. Fact is anywhere in America one can still find virulent anti black racism.

comment just might have made my evening.

She's not the best one to consult for "reasoned debate." A lesson hard-learned.

NightSwimmer

For what it is worth, it isn't really thinking to put a label on something and dismiss it. You dismiss my points because you believe I support someone other than you and think no further.

You happen to be wrong about what "team" I'm on, but that's beside the point--your perspective is the point! You see our democracy and all the Americans within it as team contestants in a series of serial horse races to power. You judge all based on how it will effect your chosen team's success.

If you would encourage your elected representatives to legally establish the rule of one-person one-vote for as all American elections, Republican voters would benefit just as much as Democratic..

To return your contempt, my contempt is for those who see the American political process as no more than a sporting series--all about who wins.

It is supposed to be a process whereby the will of the people is registered to address policy challenges. It's supposed to produce result that put challenges behind us historically. The challenges just keep getting push along as we keep holding our little horse races to little effect. Now, even voters are dispensable. Isn't it time you wake up?

Don't tell me what I don't care about. Reading minds isn't your forte---though it does serve as a useful excuse for not thinking.

Obama is screwing me today. Why are you making excuses for the guy? Can't you face a fact? To support your favored candidate, must you blind yourself to the candidate's actions?

Self-delusion and buyer's dissonance are a poor basis for a political mandate.