yeah agreed he has been using spin and image manipulation but no not what I'm saying.

What I said was this:

Obama is a wimp. His narcissism will be the DNC's downfall. He lashes out by doing obviously dishonest things, which might get him points with the criminal element but not so many points from hard-working Americans who try not to be dishonest if at all possible.

The next thing that I'm saying is that Hillary is being too soft on him, and that this guy can't handle it. His ego won't allow it. He is unrealistic to the point of it being either ideology or idealistic

Fasco-liberal, idealistic, passive-aggressive, narcissisticist

FLIPAN

That is more like what I'm saying, thanks for calling me on it.

I appreciate your attempts to point out Obama's flaws. It certainly seems as though many of his supporters have been far too willing to overlook his many flaws, and I share your concern that these same flaws pose a significant risk to his presidential prospects (and, by association, the fortunes of the Democratic party).

However, calling home a Fasco-liberal, idealistic, passive-aggressive narcissist is hardly helpful. If we're going to start name-calling, there are plenty to go around for all candidates - including the one you support.

Stick to the facts, give them an honest analysis, and use that to persuade people. Otherwise, you just alienate people, which though it affords an unmistakable (though base) satisfaction, and allows those of a similar position some vicarious satisfaction as well, it's a poor strategy for someone who is in a minority position; the people you are alienating are the ones whose majority vote is going to lead to your disappointment. Being right, down the road, will be of little satisfaction to you, especially if you come to understand that you might have been part of the problem yourself.

Just sayin'.

because the only good black activist is a dead black activist.

hehe

Thanks Fielding

What I mean by that is that it is a narcissism that he does not see. It is a flaw because when it is nibbled at he reacts very negatively, which makes it worse, I think.

fasco-liberal because he's an odd mix of idealism and marxist ideals. I view Marx more from a dialectical standpoint and am cautious when it is presented as progress, because of it's historical implications.

passive-aggressive because he takes out his anger in ways that makes it difficult for someone to fight back with, it generally ends with, grandma, 10 year old boy, their fault, staff fault, hillary's fault, media's fault. Within that is "you are doing this to hurt me, or they are doing that to hurt us", it creates an odd loyalty or an odd dislike, that can't be fully explained. It does create stands though, but it also creates fear where no fear previously existed.

But you are correct of course, and I see whare that could be pretty annoying actually.

And of course politicians have egos, good ones want to believe that they are doing good, bad ones egos come from others believing that everyone thinks they are great. The more popular of the first sort have both, and it is what led to Clinton's issues, which he has detailed in interviews.

The reason why tried presidential hopefuls are more comfortable to me, is that with any luck their egos have had to be checked already.

I am leaning more and more towards Isolationism, the idealism being tossed around makes me think that maybe we need to cut the banks off and just nurture the idealism for a time, until it is time to come out of the oven.

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to snolly, I don't find assassination jokes especially funny and I don't click on those links. There were 4 men that I can think of that were assassinated, and a few of those men had men around them who died as a result of the assassinations. I find that a bad time, it is one reason why I dislike NOI as I am a fan of Malcolm X, the wonderful thing about M is that he was maturing and detailing his maturity, as he was growing, who knows he might have been the first AA in office.

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I also know that the idealism of everyone in the world living like America does is not practical. We are not in the top 270 nations in the world in population density. We have a lot of resources in the US.

What allows the US to be a democracy is our limited population and our plentiful resources. As the one increases and the other diminishes we will have the same problems every other country in the world has.

It's wonderful to believe everyone can be like us, but before that can happen the model has to be similar enough to be practical.

I agreed with everything you wrote except the part about voting for him if he denounced them.At this late date who could believe anything he said?

Is that a drive through eatery dishing up lattes and quiche? Where do you get these absurd ideas? I have seen it all now.

He's afraid to acknowledge the truth of what you & jeqal have said. There is a lot of anti-White undercurrent in much of Michelle Obama's remarks, as well. The pro-BO BOTFers simply refuse to admit it. And of course, in addition to the examples you provide here, there's all that anti-White sentiment in so many of the Rap & hip-hop "songs" and "music" as well. Woolley has got his Denial head so deeply hidden in the sand, he wouldn't denounce OBAMA if BO were proven to be Hitler; he would find a way around it & somehow try to 'defend" either of them.

"A relic of a century long behind us?" "Long behind us?" 7.5 years? And he and Al Gore brought us some of the best years of our lives, so to speak. Ingratitude piled on top of unrealistic insanity -- you have drunk very, very deeply of the well of Obamanite Kool-aid, indeed. Have you ever looked at the website of WJC's Foundation and familiarized yourself with his current programmatic activities? You are over the top and again, unrecognizable in your bizarre claims on behalf of The Unqualified One. And no, you don't like Hillary, no matter how many times you proclaim that you "really, really do." If you did, you would stop attempting to smear HER with his supposed errors of his ways. It is posts like this that drive the oft-quoted "25% of Hillary supporters" to tell pollsters they just may not be able to bring themselves to vote for Obama come November, should it come to that. Which I hope to heck it will not. P.s. your pun, above, is offensive and misogynistic.

I just wrote the same thing to him below, about him not really liking Hillary Clinton at all, whle continually protesting that he does. (You said it far more smoothly, for which I thank you.) One of the saddest pieces of BOTF fall-out during this whole nasty Dem. primary / caucus business, has been the noticeable decline in quality of posting, thinking and writing by some of our formerly best posters & writers. Sad to say, The Ducster leads the pack, which I do (really, really) regret. You & Dawn have posted some of the best and finest (high-quality) support pieces on behalf of HRC that I have seen around here and for that, I thank you both. "L."