This man harbored extreme religious views alien to our country and was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off and should never have been allowed in our military.

Here are some facts: Since our horrible 911 Islamic terrorists have murdered thousands of innocent, men, women and children on busses, trains, supermarkets, restaurants, synagogues and churches, and office buildings in more than twenty countries worldwide of which half of them are Moslem countries. This is not the fault of Israel or America which obviously upsets you Blame America First folks.

There ARE people who have an eight century view of Islam and believe in murdering innocent people. There is no comparison to any other conflict or religion in the world today. Christians and Jews are not targeting innocent men, women, and children around the world. Please spare the liberal pablum about what America has done in Iraq. America ended the famine in Moslem Somalia, ended the genocide by the Serbs against Moslems in Kosovo, kicked the invading Iraqi's out of Moslem Kuwait, and freed fifty million Moslems from oppressive, brutal dictatorships in Iraq and Afghanistan. We should never have gone to war with Iraq but the rest of the world was more interested in Saddam's oil and his money from oil and cared little about his torture and murders of his own people.

Right before Daniel Pearl, the American journalist, was beheaded in Pakistan his murderers made him say "I am an American and I am a Jew." Not one Moslem group in America condemned this horrific act nor do they condemn the slaughter of innocents in attacks against Israel by suicide bombers nor do they condemn the Moslem against Moslem attrocities being committed in Iraq. Christians and Jews don't behave this way.

Christians were the ones who invented WWII extermination camps, not to mention a host of other terrorist activities....

I wouldn't blame it on their religion, though. If they, and everyone else actually followed the dictates of their religions we wouldn't have extermination camps, lynchings, 9/11, etc etc etc

Ultimately, actions will always speak louder than words, and any religion can be distorted and tunred into an ideology that's totally opposite to its spirit and ethics....

What Hindu is blowing up busses and killing soldiers right now in the name of reliigon? Stop with the moral equivalence. It makes you look ignorant anywhere outside a college campus where this stuff is pablum.

jobmd:

What Hindu is blowing up busses and killing soldiers right now in the name of reliigon? Stop with the moral equivalence. It makes you look ignorant anywhere outside a college campus where this stuff is pablum.

Don't be so naive son.

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Read the third paragraph. What in Hindu scripture or teachings commands followers to kill infidels?

Christians were the ones who invented WWII extermination camps, not to mention a host of other terrorist activities...

Whistle! Technical violation of Godwin's Law!!!

By this, I am guessing that you think the SS were "Christian"? Care to cite a source for this assertion?

Terrorism is a multi-racial, pan-religious activity. Nearly every religion has, at one time or another, perpetrated activities that someone else has considered terrorism. Terrorism is neither a Christian nor a Muslim invention nor is it exclusive to either religion.

This man harbored extreme religious views alien to our country and was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off and should never have been allowed in our military.

There are no "extreme religious views alien to our country." Our country has no religion. Our citizenry are free to worship Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Perhaps you should spend some time reading the constitution.

Here are some facts: Since our horrible 911 Islamic terrorists have murdered thousands of innocent, men, women and children on busses, trains, supermarkets, restaurants, synagogues and churches, and office buildings in more than twenty countries worldwide of which half of them are Moslem countries. This is not the fault of Israel or America which obviously upsets you Blame America First folks

So, is this a contest to see who is the 'most evil,' so we can decide who it is acceptable to hate? Does hating a ethnic or religious subgroup really help keep us safe? If we 'hate' Muslims will the world really be a safer place for Americans to live in? For all people to live in? Shouldn't that be our ultimate goal? How does hating people help attain that goal?

There ARE people who have an eight century view of Islam and believe in murdering innocent people.

There are people who don't have an eighth century view of Islam, (what is an eighth century view of Islam, anyway?), and who believe in murdering innocent people. So, what's your point? Some people kill in the name of God. Some people kill in the name of politics. Some people kill in the name of oil. Which is better?

There is no comparison to any other conflict or religion in the world today. Christians and Jews are not targeting innocent men, women, and children around the world.

Wake up and smell the pablum. Christians spent the better part of three hundred years, [That's right, 300 years, three centuries.], killing and being killed over the Holy Land. They did so with the blessing and the encouragement of the Catholic Church. I don't see where Muslims have a corner on the market of senseless killing of innocent people for questionable religious reasons.

Or, perhaps, since you don't like it, you think we should just overlook the three hundred years the Christians spent fighting the Muslims over the Holy Land? Just too inconvenient?

As Bill Mahr said, "If the world does come to an end here, or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of religion-inspired nuclear terrorism, let’s remember what the real problem was. We learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it. That’s it. Grow up or die.”

The only solution is to stop killing, not to puff ourselves up and make ourselves feel superior as an excuse to keep killing people who are different than us. "Grow up or die."

America ended the famine in Moslem Somalia,

I am sure there are a lot of Somalis that wish that were true...

...ended the genocide by the Serbs against Moslems in Kosovo

You seem to have an inflated view of what anyone person is able to do to another. We may have changed the sociopolitical environment in the former Yugoslavia, but we did not 'end the genocide'. The people doing the killing stopped killing. Geeze, talk about megalomania.

kicked the invading Iraqi's out of Moslem Kuwait,

I am not sure this would make any difference to you, but a coalition - that included Muslims - removed Saddam from Kuwait. It wasn't just us 'Christians'... and freed fifty million Moslems from oppressive, brutal dictatorships in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And then started locking people up in Abu Gharib and Gitmo where we commenced torture all over again.

And have stayed and stayed and stayed, when we clearly are not wanted, because our leaders lacked the commonsense to have a viable exit strategy when they went into a war that they had to lie about to start in the first place.

We should never have gone to war with Iraq but the rest of the world was more interested in Saddam's oil and his money from oil and cared little about his torture and murders of his own people.

Interesting rhetoric, but we didn't go into Iraq because Saddam was torturing and murdering his own people. We went in, because Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld lied to us and told us that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. So, I guess we aren't as humanitarian as you think. Especially when you consider the number of Iraqis we've killed, locked up, tortured, et cetera since we got there. Interesting your myopic view of six years of war and thousands of Americans killed for, in the end - OIL and Haliburton.

There ARE people who have an eight century view of Islam and believe in murdering innocent people.

Koch: Gotta disagree. Islam is Islam.

Even you, who is better informed than the other people on this thread, have been taken in by the MSM/govt/PC bullshit line that the "extremists" have "hijacked Islam" from the peaceful mainstream.

While there are many peaceful Muslims around the world, Islam itself is not peaceful. Peaceful Muslims are people who have chosen to ignore the more violent aspects of Islam, while practicing the more peaceful aspects of it.

This is an important distinction.

MisterPerson:

There ARE people who have an eight century view of Islam and believe in murdering innocent people.

Koch: Gotta disagree. Islam is Islam.

Even you, who is better informed than the other people on this thread, have been taken in by the MSM/govt/PC bullshit line that the "extremists" have "hijacked Islam" from the peaceful mainstream.

While there are many peaceful Muslims around the world, Islam itself is not peaceful. Peaceful Muslims are people who have chosen to ignore the more violent aspects of Islam, while practicing the more peaceful aspects of it.

This is an important distinction.

You can find harsh things in most every ancient religion that has experienced conflict with competing religions. A believer can find peace or blood thirst, whichever he is seeking. Fortunately, we can tell into which category any given Muslim falls, simply by asking him how he feels about making peace with Israel.

So, from your post, I am assuming you have read the entire Quran and that you completely understand it? Or, did you just pick this out of thin air? I find it hard to believe that someone with your attitude would spend the time reading the holy book of a religion they obviously irrationally hate, much less attempt to rationally interpret it.

Ever read the Old Testament? Not exactly a book of love and peace is it? The book is full of violence. So are Christians who don't kill in the name of Christianity just Christians who have chosen not to practice the violent aspects of Christianity?

Hasan, whatever his motivations - which neither you nor any of the other people on this forum who are scared out of their rational minds into irrationality by the mere utterance of word 'Islam' (or 'Muslim' or 'Quran'] - have any way of knowing as the man is still unconscious, leaving you to simple bigoted speculation, is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If, and only if, he is proven guilty in a court of law, he will be a CRIMINAL, because the acts he committed will be adjudicated to have been criminal. His motives are completely beside the point.

By running around saying Hasan did this because he was a Muslim, et cetera, YOU make him a terrorist. That's right YOU.

Fortunately, we can tell into which category any given Muslim falls, simply by asking him how he feels about making peace with Israel.

Would that include Aztecs, Mayans, Navaho, Blackfeet, Nez Perce, Confucian, Shinto, Buddhist, et cetera or would that just apply to middle eastern religions?

And why Israel? Why not ask them what they think about making peace with Saudi Arabia, Iraq or the Emirates? Get a strong opposite reaction...

ACtually, this post applies to your 'ancient religions' post...

Doc Holliday:

So, from your post, I am assuming you have read the entire Quran and that you completely understand it? Or, did you just pick this out of thin air? I find it hard to believe that someone with your attitude would spend the time reading the holy book of a religion they obviously irrationally hate, much less attempt to rationally interpret it.

Ever read the Old Testament? Not exactly a book of love and peace is it? The book is full of violence. So are Christians who don't kill in the name of Christianity just Christians who have chosen not to practice the violent aspects of Christianity?

Hasan, whatever his motivations - which neither you nor any of the other people on this forum who are scared out of their rational minds into irrationality by the mere utterance of word 'Islam' (or 'Muslim' or 'Quran'] - have any way of knowing as the man is still unconscious, leaving you to simple bigoted speculation, is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If, and only if, he is proven guilty in a court of law, he will be a CRIMINAL, because the acts he committed will be adjudicated to have been criminal. His motives are completely beside the point.

By running around saying Hasan did this because he was a Muslim, et cetera, YOU make him a terrorist. That's right YOU.

What a predictably lame response. Yup, I have read the Koran. Yup, I am quite familiar with the Bible.

Right like clockwork, you came up with the tired old lame-o response that there is nasty stuff in the Bible.

Well here is the deal, professor. In case you haven't noticed, the other major religions don't go around slaughtering people any more. I am concerned with the here and now- if you want to live in the 17th century and worry about the Spanish Inquisition, I think you should post that on some historical thread .

Islam is the only major religion that has NOT evolved in the past thousand years regarding violence towards non-believers.

Doc Holliday:

Fortunately, we can tell into which category any given Muslim falls, simply by asking him how he feels about making peace with Israel.

Would that include Aztecs, Mayans, Navaho, Blackfeet, Nez Perce, Confucian, Shinto, Buddhist, et cetera or would that just apply to middle eastern religions?

And why Israel? Why not ask them what they think about making peace with Saudi Arabia, Iraq or the Emirates? Get a strong opposite reaction...

Would _what_ include Aztecs, Mayans...?

And why Israel? Because that's one way you can tell whether they get from Islam bloodlust or love of peace. What Muslims think about making peace with other Muslims is irrelevant to the question, because the parts of the Koran that are used to stir up blood lust are the passages that condemn non-Muslims.

Islam is the only major religion that has NOT evolved in the past thousand years regarding violence towards non-believers

What a 'lame-o' response. Someone who refuses to look at anything that doesn't fit in his narrow, bigoted mindset.

Take a gander at fundamentalist Christians killing abortion providers. Those are really 'evolved' Christians aren't they? I think, last time, I checked, Christianity is a "major religion" and this is happening in the 21st century.

The IRA didn't have many Muslims among its ranks either, yet they killed thousands in the name of religion - Christian religion. Not very evolved by your standards, either.

I could go on, but you get the idea. Or, maybe you don't. Maybe your anti-Islamic bigotry is so strong that you are blinded by your hatred and, like George Bush, have to see a terrorist behind every bush, (pun intended). Seems like it, cause you certainly aren't acting rational here.

I guess you really do want to turn a criminal into a terrorist. Even though there has been no evidence, to date, that has shown this had anything to do with his religion or terrorism. You go ahead and spread fear with your bigoted opinions.

Regardless of your narrow minded bigotry, this was a criminal act. It will be treated as a criminal act. Hasan will be court martialed as a criminal. He won't be sent off to Gitmo or Baghram AFB to be waterboarded or be a victim of extraordinary rendition and sent to Syria where he will be torturned ad lib. If he survives, he will spend the rest of his life at Ft. Leavenworth.

Somehow, I don't believe that you have read the Quran, either...