Once again an Israeli newspaper talks about the illegal creation of Israel yet this topic does-not make the US media..

Israel's Right To Exist?

By Alan Hart

November 03, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- -- On Monday 12 October, Prime Minister Netanyahu opened the Knesset’s winter session by blasting the Goldstone Report that accuses Israel of committing war crimes and vowing that he would never allow Israelis be tried for them. But that was not his main message. It was an appeal, delivered I thought with a measure of desperation, to the “Palestinian leadership”, presumably the leadership of “President” Abbas and his Fatah cronies, leaders who are regarded by very many if not most Palestinians as American-and-Israeli stooges at best and traitors at worst.

Netanyahu again called on this leadership to agree to recognise Israel as a Jewish state, saying this was, and remains, the key to peace. And he went on and on and on about it.

“For 62 years the Palestinians have been saying ‘No’ to the Jewish state. I am once again calling upon our Palestinian neighbours – say ‘Yes’ to the Jewish state. Without recognition of the Israel as the state of the Jews we shall not be able to attain peace… Such recognition is a step which requires courage and the Palestinian leadership should tell its people the truth – that without this recognition there can be no peace… There is no alternative to Palestinian leaders showing courage by recognising the Jewish state. This has been and remains the true key to peace.”

As Ha’aretz noted in its report, Netanyahu’s demand for Palestinian acceptance of Israel as a Jewish state is for him “a way on ensuring recognition of Israel’s right to exist as opposed to merely recognising Israel” (my emphasis). This, as Ha’aretz added, is the recognition which Netanyahu and many other Israelis see as the real core of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In the name of pragmatism, willingness to “merely to recognise” Israel – meaning to accept and live in peace with an Israel inside its pre-June ‘67 borders – has long been the formal Palestinian and all-Arab position. Why does it stop short of recognising Israel’s “right to exist”, and why, really, does it matter so much to Zionism that Palestinians recognise this right?

The answer is in the following.

According to history as written by the winner, Zionism, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is propaganda nonsense.

· In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.

· Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.

· The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the U.S. knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force given the extent of Arab and other Muslim opposition to it; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.

· So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid) and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine – after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away, effectively surrendering to Zionist terrorism – was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the U.S. was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence – actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.

The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist UNLESS … Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

And that legitimacy was the only thing the Zionists could not and cannot take from the Palestinians by force.

No wonder Prime Minister Netanyahu is more than a little concerned on this account.

Israel’s leaders have always known the truth summarised above. It’s time for the rest of the world to know it.

Alan Hart is a former ITN and BBC Panorama foreign correspondent who covered wars and conflicts wherever they were taking place in the world and specialized in the Middle East. Author of Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews: The False Messiah (Zionism, the Real Enemy of the Jews). He blogs on www.alanhart.net

Europeans took it from the Injuns. Same kind of thing happened in Europe's wars after Rome, which took entire countries by conquest.

Stalin and Truman created Israel, which Jews defended in wars.

Unfortunately, UN never ruled on USA or Poland. Injuns and Germans fought until they gave up. Today, Arabs and Palestinians haven't yet given up. So it's still a state of war held in check by USA and Russia (perhaps).

Israel is de-facto. Until perhaps the Jews are liquidated or conquered.

Where would you relocate them to? It COULD be done. I'd think part of Argentina could work; they need the money. How about inside USA? Like maybe a Carolina? or South Florida? Long Island with B-Q?

A.L.

I read and learned about the way that Israel was created many years ago. I learned that many in Truman's cabinet including, his secretary of State, told Truman it was a very bad idea and would lead to trouble for years.

Two South American countries thought it such a piss poor idea they offered to give the Zionists land in their respective countries. But because of intense pressure from the U.S. it went to the General Assembly.

When Truman's Secretary of State, I think it was Dulles, asked Truman why he was pushing this idea, Truman replied if he didn't he would have every Jewish person in D.C. in his office complaining. But he added he would have no Arab counterpart.

So, the Jewish problem in Palestine was purely a political decision. Also as a after thought Truman was expecting a very close race against N.Y. Governor, Dewey, a heavily Jewish state and he didn't want to alienate the many Jewish voters in that State.

And the article is correct it never went to the Security Council for a vote, so in effect, the State of Israel is illegitimate, because it was never actually approved.

A.L. in my opinion, this was a huge mistake committed purely for political reasons, possible one of the biggest and costliest for mankind.

He's exactly THE problem.

A careful footnote. Followed by NOTHING!

What should the Jews in Israel do?

What should my fellow USA-Jews do?

BTW -- Acheson was HST's Sec of State. Since that time, HST has become merely the first of ALL the subsequent Prezzes to support Israel 10,000%, as did Stalin. Most of the children of Soviet dictators (not Khr) are from Jewish mothers.

Just a few lies in this anti-semitic bigot's stream of lies:

Lie: "by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states"

Truth: The vote was 33-13 with10 abstentions. Hardy what a sane, non-bigoted person would consider "narrow". And of course he offers NO proof of "rigging".

Lie: "the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration"

Truth: In fact, the resolution went to the Security Council. It did get bogged down over details and ultimately the Security Council voted to send the matter back to the General Assembly for further deliberation.

Lie: "the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of pre-planned ethnic cleansing"

Truth: There are no ethnic Palestinians. The Palestinian "people" exist only to the extent that a mob of unrelated desert Arabs can be corraled and led by EGYPTIANS and other Arabs and trained to "believe" they are "Palestinian."

Also, there has never been a state or nation of "Palestine". If you are so concerned about Palestinians (rather than just being a loathesome bigot), send your demands to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and other "legitimate" countries that include parts of the Palestine geographical region within their current borders. Why are they "allowed" to own part of "Palestine"?

tophat maybe you are the real bigot..maybe you are a Palestinian hater ..

You say the Palestinians were never a people . But the same can be said about the Jews

Inform yourself about what is happening to the Palestinians and how the Jews are treating them The Jews in 1947 stole Palestine and to this the Jews are still stealing Palestinians land..

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""Truth: There are no ethnic Palestinians. The Palestinian "people" exist only to the extent that a mob of unrelated desert Arabs can be corraled and led by EGYPTIANS and other Arabs and trained to "believe" they are "Palestinian." ""

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""In ancient times this area was called the land of the Amorites after its original inhabitants, but later it was called Canaan for a grandson of Noah. It is now commonly called Palestine, after the Philistines, as this people at a very early date settled the narrow coastal strip along the Mediterranean and thence dominated, for a time, a good part of the entire region. The giant, Goliath, whom David slew with a slingshot, was a Philistine.""

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Get it Top Hall: Amorites =Canaan = Philistine = Palestine.

Once, Jews were known as Palestinians.

To make it real interesting, all this land was already occupied by others, Amorites, then Canaanites, then Philistines from which the word Palestine came. God authorized the over throw of these tribes by the Jews after they came from bondage out of Egypt so long as they adhered to his law, which they didn't over and over again. Therefore the "Jew," divorced himself to an everlasting cutting off from God's benevolence and promise. Yes, there were many left in the land but they had to survive under Roman rule and had in 70CE already lost their city capital to the Romans including the temple.

What most people today get confused over is the term 'Judaism' verses the term 'Zionists'.

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Seasoldier/Zionists is not Judaism.

I proved Hart is a liar, yet you persist in spouting his lies. That shows you have no interest in the truth, because of your hatred for Jews; therefore, I am rid of you.

From "Does Israel Have A Right To Exist? Does The U.S.?", circa 2006, by Michael Medved

......In order to place these realities in proper perspective, it’s first necessary to reject some thirty years of wildly irresponsible anti-Israel propaganda. First of all, it’s not true in any sense that the modern Jewish State ever supplanted or destroyed an existing nation of “Palestine.” From the time of definitive destruction of the ancient Jewish commonwealth in 70 A.D., the land that comprises the current State of Israel never enjoyed independent existence but, rather, passed back and forth among competing world empires—Roman, Byzantine, Arab, Crusader, Mamaluke, Ottoman and British. Over the course of more than 1,800 years, no nation with the name “Palestine” appeared on any maps, anywhere. The distinguished Arab-American historian Philip Hitti, professor at Princeton University, testified to the Anglo American Committee in 1946: ‘There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”

Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in 1867, shortly before the commencement of modern Jewish resettlement, and described it as “a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds—a silent, mournful expanse… A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action.” According to the careful population figures of the Ottoman Empire, in 1882 (at the very beginning of the modern, organized Jewish immigration back to the ancestral home), the total population of land between the Jordan and the Sea was less than 250,000 – in an area that today supports ten million people, Israelis and Palestinians.

The resettlement of the sparsely populated Holy Land by the descendants of its ancient inhabitants, however, did not take place solely in the modern era. Throughout Jewish history, waves of returnees came back to the sacred soil of their ancestors. In the 8th and 9th centuries, A.D., Jewish immigrants re-established major communities in Jerusalem and Tiberias; by the 11th Century, they had built new communities in Jaffa, Ashkelon, Caesarea and Rafah. In the 16th Century, more Jewish immigrants developed the famous center of mysticism in Safed and beginning in the 1700’s religious scholars and pilgrims intensely repopulated Jerusalem.

The Jewish connection to Israel, in other words, remained impassioned and unbroken for some three thousand years, while the British connection with North American began only in 1607 (with Jamestown) and 1620 (with the Pilgrims at Plymouth). No European settlers to the New World claimed an ancient connection to the land they discovered, developed, and gradually populated. Moreover, the Native Americans who preceded them came to the Western Hemisphere across the land bridge from Asia at the very latest some 13,000 years before the White Men arrived, while the Arabs appeared in Israel for the first time in the 7th Century.

If opponents of the modern Jewish State argue that Israelis have no meaningful claim on the land they occupy then on what basis do today’s Americans have a stake in the vast continent once inhabited by millions of members of hundreds of Indian tribes?

Moreover, the Jewish title to the land of Israel received long-standing recognition from international organizations that didn’t even exist at the time of American independence. On July 24, 1922, the 52 governments of the League of Nations formally recognized and endorsed the British Balfour Declaration calling for “reconstituting….a national home for the Jewish people” in the land with which that people enjoyed “historical connections.” Twenty-five years later, the United Nations (successor body to the League of Nations) validated this title with the partition plan, dividing the British Mandate in the area into two states—one Jewish, one Arab. The Arab leadership violently rejected that solution, but after Israel’s bloody war for Independence the UN recognized Israel as a full member state in 1949......

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If Israel has no right to exist, then surely neither does the United States or Canada......